I am considering verbatim after I have had several RITEK BR2 disk go bad on me: Memorex (Blue disk) RITEK BR2 burned 6/09. Have had 7 disks fail out of 15. RiData (silver disk) RITEK BR2 burned 6/09 had 1 disk fail out of 4 checked. RiData (printable disk) RITEK BR2. The oldest I have of these are from 4/10. I have not yet seen any failures. Scanned 4 disk using Nero Disk Speed all 4 clean. I am wondering if these Verbatims would give the longetivity I am looking for: I want to stay away from the LTH as this is a relatively new technology and prefer not to be a guinea pig at a small savings. I have learned my lesson on that route ;(

BD-R Disc Lifetimes Please post in this thread if you have tested your BD blanks to see if they still playback well over time. This is very valauble for all users trying to make informed purchasing decisions on blank media. It would be helpful to supply the approximate date recorded, the model of the burner and the firmware that was used, along with the brand and model of disc with its MID code if available.

I have been experimenting with 50gb bdr's from Japan on Ebay. Seller is U-Japan. Around $5-6 a disc. I purchased 5 Verbatims and 8 TDK. The verbatims work great. I've burned 5 TDK with 2 failures. Seller said he would replace the 2 discs once I ordered more. I will keep you guys posted on how they work out. Btw shipping from Japan was free and surprisingly quick.

@rysktr & signals, I previously posted a reference to the article in the General Chat section, re: "what's the best blank dvd to buy". The focus there was mainly on DVD discs. As the author of the article points out, the first problem in finding a good recording media (DVD, BD-R, etc) is to understand what constitutes a good media (i.e.; how do you define a/the good media). This article gave me a good background on the "what's" and "why's". Also, to ensure as best, that you get what you paid for. In the Q/A section, date/time: April 18, 2011 at 11:40am, there's a question and discussion on Verbatim and JVC/TY blu-ray discs. Hope this article helps: http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media Best Regards, GadgetVictim PS: FYI, I had already purchased some Optical Quantum BD-R, before I read this article. However, my choice on the OQ BD-R was driven by cost/disc. Maybe next time I'll get some TY BD-R from SMS.:o

[QUOTE=GadgetVictim;84168] Maybe next time I'll get some TY BD-R from SMS.:o[/QUOTE]Just so you know, T-Y BD-R are LTH, not standard BD-R.I've burned quite a few Optical Quantum disks without any problems. We'll see how long they last.

[QUOTE=kelson;84245]Just so you know, T-Y BD-R are LTH, not standard BD-R. I've burned quite a few Optical Quantum disks without any problems. We'll see how long they last.[/QUOTE] @kelson, Thanks for pointing this fact out. I'm learning something new about BD-R and DVD discs every day, which helps me make more informed purchase decisions.:) I Googled "LTH media" and found this enlightening info in Wikipedia: "... BD-R LTH is a write-once Blu-ray disc format that features an organic dye recording layer. The advantage of BD-R LTH is it can protect a manufacturer's investment in DVD-R/CD-R manufacturing equipment. .... Old Blu-ray players and recorders cannot utilize BD-R LTH, however, a firmware upgrade could enable the device to access BD-R LTH..." After doing some further googling, it looks like there's two camps in this area of blu-ray discs: Low to High (LTH) and High to Low (HTL). SOME LINGERING QUESTIONS STILL REMAIN UNRESOLVED: 1. I assume the older BD-R were all HTL, and the reason for switching over to the newer LTH is that it's less expensive to produce? 2. I'm assuming also, that when people refer to "non-LTH" or "standard BD-R", they're referring to BD-R HTL discs? 3. Since this particular forum addresses "BD-R life expectancy", the question now is, aside from initial incompatibility issues, which of the two technology would have a longer data retention/storage life span? Seems like this depends a lot on who the disc manufacturer (i.e., TY, Verbatim, OQ, etc) is the ingrediants/standards/qualities they apply. 4. Finally, when I purchase BD-R from places like Amazon, can I assume that all the BD-R not specified as being LTH are infact, HTL discs? Example: a. Not all the BD-R offered are not clearly labeled as being either LTH or HTL. Examples: - http://www.amazon.com/Optical-Quantum-Double-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B002LZMY10/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304542987&sr=8-1) - http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97339-DataLifePlus-Single-Layer-Recordable/dp/B004477BQQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1304545933&sr=1-1 b. However, there a some that are clearly marked as being LTH. Like the Verbatim brands: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97090-Blu-ray-Single-Layer-Recordable/dp/B002WCRC2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1304543172&sr=1-1 However, note the difference in per disc price between the two Verbatims above: #97339 vs #97090. Live Aloha, GadgetVictim:cool:

Im confused as to why Blu-Ray wouldn't last? I've been burning DVD's for years, some of which have been mistreated and have tons of scratches on them (usually ones with cam movies or something) and they still play back fine, without issues. I have a huge binder, that holds 300+ dvds, all that are in excellent condition. Im assuming if you kept your blu-rays in a cool, dry, dark place (such as a binder) and handled them properly and didn't leave them in the disc drive, you shouldn't have a issue with them.

Also, regarding the new Verbatim LTH discs. I haven't used these discs yet. Im in the process of purchasing a blu-ray burner, and choosing the discs to go along with them. From what i've read, these discs seem to have high reviews. If you use the right burner, and have UPDATED FIRMWARE, and use a player that supports them (most do) you shouldn't have any issues with them. I know technically there a new technology, but im sure within time they will be all over the markets. Verbatim is one of the best leaders in blank media, and I doubt the company would back a product that was crap. Im sure they were trying to discover a cheap, efficient way of making blu-rays, so they could pull ahead in the market, and distingush themselves. I've used Verbatim DVD's for ages, and not had a single issue. You should see how badly some of my discs are scratched up, and they still play back fine.

[QUOTE=GadgetVictim;84258]@kelson, Thanks for pointing this fact out. I'm learning something new about BD-R and DVD discs every day, which helps me make more informed purchase decisions.:) I Googled "LTH media" and found this enlightening info in Wikipedia: "... BD-R LTH is a write-once Blu-ray disc format that features an organic dye recording layer. The advantage of BD-R LTH is it can protect a manufacturer's investment in DVD-R/CD-R manufacturing equipment. .... Old Blu-ray players and recorders cannot utilize BD-R LTH, however, a firmware upgrade could enable the device to access BD-R LTH..." After doing some further googling, it looks like there's two camps in this area of blu-ray discs: Low to High (LTH) and High to Low (HTL). SOME LINGERING QUESTIONS STILL REMAIN UNRESOLVED: 1. I assume the older BD-R were all HTL, and the reason for switching over to the newer LTH is that it's less expensive to produce? 2. I'm assuming also, that when people refer to "non-LTH" or "standard BD-R", they're referring to BD-R HTL discs? 3. Since this particular forum addresses "BD-R life expectancy", the question now is, aside from initial incompatibility issues, which of the two technology would have a longer data retention/storage life span? Seems like this depends a lot on who the disc manufacturer (i.e., TY, Verbatim, OQ, etc) is the ingrediants/standards/qualities they apply. 4. Finally, when I purchase BD-R from places like Amazon, can I assume that all the BD-R not specified as being LTH are infact, HTL discs? Example: a. Not all the BD-R offered are not clearly labeled as being either LTH or HTL. Examples: - http://www.amazon.com/Optical-Quantum-Double-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B002LZMY10/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304542987&sr=8-1) - http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97339-DataLifePlus-Single-Layer-Recordable/dp/B004477BQQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1304545933&sr=1-1 b. However, there a some that are clearly marked as being LTH. Like the Verbatim brands: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97090-Blu-ray-Single-Layer-Recordable/dp/B002WCRC2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1304543172&sr=1-1 However, note the difference in per disc price between the two Verbatims above: #97339 vs #97090. Live Aloha, GadgetVictim:cool:[/QUOTE] LTH is pressed on the same press they make DVD's thats why the cost is cheaper, these disc's were first developed back in 2007. I know verbatim makes them but not sure of who else. I think most disc's that you come into contact with will be normal BDR. It comes down to basically you get what you pay for! If you buy the expensive disc's e.g. Verbatim, TDK you are most likely not going to encounter any error if you go with the cheap BD R's its a crap shoot! I use TDK and I don't burn coasters nor do I get any errors!

Taiyo Yuden is now making them but they are inkjet printable. I believe at supermediastore but don't quote me. I use the verbs LTH with my lite-on 220 burner. No problems so far. Panasonic standalones were upgraded quite awhile ago to play these.

I also use TDK BD-Rs and haven't had any problems with them. If you buy them in bulk (aka 50 pack on spindles) from Smart Imports Japan or Amazon Japan, the cost per disc isn't that great (~AU$2-3), even with postage and handling costs.

BD-R Disc Lifetimes

s9ac3r

ive been using Digistor BD-R's. I havent had one fail me yet. I'm on my 4th spindle of 25pack. I thought price was good. its about a dollar for bd-r or about $4.50 for dl bd-r. im a little comfused about the htl or lth and i dont know which one it is with Digistor. I havent had one coast on me just yet.

My computer config.

Toshiba Satellite A665-3DV5
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1x Matshida fixed optical blu ray disc rom
1x LG External 12x Super Multi Blue LightScribe BE12LU38 on esata

PS. I hate them media disc that slips when loading in a slot drive.

p2nenga

BD-R defect management

What seems to be missing in this discussion is blu-ray is a data disk format whereas dvd was a streaming disk format. BD-R has the capability to mark bad segments and branch around to a good segment during the recording process. For example, in Nero you have to turn this option ON: "BD defect management (for blank discs only)"

Even high-quality blanks have defects. But the recorder finds these on-the-fly by immediately reading back the segment just recorded and, if it's bad, mark that segment and branch to try again -- and again, and again,.. -- until a good segment is made. You can actually see this after recording as the color shift around e.g. a pin-hole defect outlines the problem.

As a result, NO COASTERS. No stutters. No mid-movie full stops. Pretty cool. And you can dare to buy cheaper media.

jimp124

Recommend Optical Quantum

I've been using Optical Quantum for over 2 years and I've had excellent luck with play-back, even on the earliest ones I burned. I've been using a Pioneer BDR-205 for most all my burns. Optical Quantum is also sold under the name Vinpower Digital which are the exact same discs. I DO NOT however recommend the ones with printable tops, they seem to produce more coasters. The prices are very reasonable.

SuperFist

Very interesting, p2nenga.

What I'm understanding from the clarification about this feature below is it's inherent in the blu-ray writers themselves and is defaulted to "On". It's just that Nero gives you the option to turn it off.

Here is further explanation from the avsforums...

Recordable Blu-ray supports defect management within the drive, this defect management is handled entirely by the writer and the computer/player has no part in handling defects, they just see a big lump of free-space which is all defect free. Defect management also takes place when creating a Blu-ray video disc and this is a big change from DVDs. DVDs for video do not support defect management as video data must be in a continuous stream, and for data, DVD needs the host to deal with defect management (except for DVD-RAM). This defect management is not just used on BD-RE, but also write once BD-R.

This should mean more reliable burns to Blu-ray media as any defects while burning can be remapped to a spare sector, and the Blu-ray player will be able to play this back without a problem, a good job considering the price of blanks at the moment. It also makes Blu-ray great for storing data.

Because of defect management, burning speeds can be less than half of the advertised speed (just like DVD-RAM) as everything written is read back and verified and if necessary sectors are remapped by the drive. Software packages can let you disable defect management to get the full burn speed, but this might mean a coaster which could have been avoided. Also when defect management is in use free space is slightly reduced in order to reserve space for defects.

Another change that can look like a fault when recording to BD-RE, is that BD-RE is a truly random access format. Where CD-RW/DVD-RW/+RW always records sequentially from the last point recorded, so on a new blank disk you can see the recording sequentially grow from the centre outwards with no gaps, Blu-ray BD-RE can record anywhere to the disk (like a hard-drive) and so isn't constrained to always recording from the very last point written to. This means on a clean blank Blu-ray BD-RE disk, as you add and remove recordings, you can see concentric rings with gaps where no data has been recorded. On a DVD/CD this would show something had gone terribly wrong, but is quite normal on BD-RE and is not a problem. (See picture below).

GadgetVictim

@jimp124: I have been using OQ BD white printable top version for several years now, and not been having much problems.

I like the convenience of printing BD covers directly on my backup disc, and would like to find out what kind of failure rate others have been getting.

Out curiosity: What kind of coaster stats per batch of OQ have you been getting from the OQ printable tops do you base your NON-Recommendation on?:confused:

I'm on about my 4th batch of the 50 stack OQ BD purchased from Amazon, and estimate that I've getting about 1 defective disk per stack of 50 (that's about 2% failure rate). So, I'm interested in finding out what others been getting???? It also comes down to cost-benefit/defect trade-off.

Would be nice if we can get others to provide statistics on number/% of defects on other makes/models BD discs, they have had experience with.:)

I have the LG BD burner, and I'm also, looking at getting 2nd BD burner and would like to know if you would recommend the Pioneer BDR-205 or possible 206? I'm look for something other then an LG model, and want recommendations from those that are HAPPY with models that they're using.:confused:

Mahalo,
GadgetVictim

8855A

GadgetVictim,

I've been using pioneer's 206 model Blu-ray burner and haven't had any problems out of it!

When I was burning I was using Verbs BD-R, non -LTH or HTL, and never had one coaster! They are still playing without any problems!

I use a Media Player now, no more burning!:)

GadgetVictim

@8855A,
Thanks for your response. I haven't bought a 2nd BD burner as yet. Mainly because I can't make up my mind on which unit to get. I know the Pioneer 206 is a good unit, and I do what to diversity from the LG line.

However, it looks like LG offers the best "bang for the buck" wrt features/functions versus price. Case-in-point, I also have the LG's WH12LS39K M-Disc 12x BD-burner on my evaluation list. Its fast, and also writes to M-disc.

The M-disc blanks are more expensive, and I'm not sure if "M-disc" technology is here to stay, and the wave of the future for long-term storage??? Would be interested in hearing from anyone with any experience on this BD storage technology.

Again, 8855A, thank you for taking the time out to respond to my question.:D

Aloha, GadgetVictim

jonnpenney

Sorry..a bit off topic but can anyone point me to decently priced BD-R 50GB discs now? It seems the prices have gone up considerably and I cannot seem to find any deals that come out better than just under $4 per disc. Thanks in advance!

SuperFist

[QUOTE=jonnpenney;119054]Sorry..a bit off topic but can anyone point me to decently priced BD-R 50GB discs now? It seems the prices have gone up considerably and I cannot seem to find any deals that come out better than just under $4 per disc. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

$4.70-$4.80 is as good as it's going to get around this time of the year. You might want to wait around Black Friday when the true deals surface.

jonnpenney

Thanks Superfist :)
I was reading some of the earlier posts in this thread from last year and the prices sounded better (maybe they were for BD-R 25 GB discs tho). I wanted to make sure I had not missed anything! :D

tc3racr6

Verbatim!

I have used over 40 of the following disks with no problems:

Verbatim 25GB 6X BD-R 10 Packs Spindle Disc Model 97238

torque2k

RE: Verbatim BD-R 6X (non-LTH, HARD coat), I have used them with zero coasters, no defects in reading back over a year old recordings, great stuff. HOWEVER, I had to order a new 25-pack last week. Went to order them from Amazon, same model number I've always used, and I saw a SLEW of 1-star reviews with comments like "These discs have gone to he**!".

Ever the optimist, I ordered them anyway. I've fallen in love with the HARD coating on these; my kids don't treat them TOO badly, but still, they resist scuffing well. First disc I burned (at 4X, my norm), errored out a quarter of the way through. I use ImgBurn 2.5.5.0, never have issues with these.

I pulled out my 2.4X Verbatim BD-RE, blanked it, and wrote the same image, no problems. I then grabbed another blank, ramped it up to 6X, and this time had no issues. However, I'm worried that it won't have longevity, as many of the bad reports stated the same thing.

I'm going to try burning a few more this week before deciding whether to send them back or not. If they do fail, my next option is TDK (with HARD coat, but WAY more expensive).

Good luck!

jimp124

[QUOTE=GadgetVictim;114619]@jimp124: I have been using OQ BD white printable top version for several years now, and not been having much problems.

Mahalo,
GadgetVictim[/QUOTE]

I stopped using the white printable top over a year ago. Perhaps things have changed with them but I was getting 6 or more coasters per 25 pack spindle. I have been using the OQ Logo top 4x with the best luck for several years now. I've been burning at 6X in most cases, and oddly enough I've had better luck with these than the OQ 6X logo tops. I honestly liked the white printable tops but the higher costs and number of coasters just made me give up on them.

I'm glad you are having better luck than I did.
Jim

fonzy35

Bought the Optical Quantum 25GB 4X BD-R 25 Packs Logo Top Blu-ray Disc Model OQBDR04LT-25 from Newegg

With Nero speed disk it's say it's PHILLIPR04 (000) rated at 8X

the Nero DiscSpeed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : BD-R
MID : PHILIPR04 (000)
Write speeds: : 4 X - 6 X - 8 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Raw Data
Physical Format Information (00h)
0000 - 44 49 01 18 00 00 62 00 42 44 52 01 12 01 00 00 - DI....b.BDR.....
0010 - 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 19 4E 7E - ..............N~
0020 - 01 EC 64 64 28 28 28 28 23 23 23 23 00 00 00 00 - ..dd((((####....
0030 - 48 43 74 04 04 58 17 94 A0 18 18 18 18 18 18 18 - HCt..X..........
0040 - 18 20 20 20 20 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 - .....p.p.p.p.p.p
0050 - 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 70 00 A0 A0 C0 - .p.p.p.p.p.p....
0060 - C0 C0 00 00 50 48 49 4C 49 50 52 30 34 00 00 00 - ....PHILIPR04...

Did a backup of my old Avatar Blu ray collection @ X4 , so far so good , good quality playback

I'll let to know in a Year :-)

Is there any other software out there to identify a blank blu ray disk like nero speed disk?

CBR929

[QUOTE=fonzy35;134121]Is there any other software out there to identify a blank blu ray disk like nero speed disk?[/QUOTE]
ImgBurn :D
CBR929

Per K

Verbatim BD25 LTH Type, burned 2 years ago with ImgBurn using a Plextor PX-B940SA at 2x speed.
All discs, which is about 30 who is that old, are still playable on both Panasonic and Pioneer players, which is the only brands i know who supports the LTH discs.

DJuanHouston

[QUOTE=Per K;140692]Verbatim BD25 LTH Type, burned 2 years ago with ImgBurn using a Plextor PX-B940SA at 2x speed.
All discs, which is about 30 who is that old, are still playable on both Panasonic and Pioneer players, which is the only brands i know who supports the LTH discs.[/QUOTE]

+1 on my LTH and playback on Phillips and my PS3 also

Boykidlat

Segmented movie file

We're downsizing. And I've started to back up my hard copies of BR movies and get rid of it, to my HD. 4th 3TB HD so far, main movie only.
Here's my dilemma, so many movies to back up and don't have enough time.
I realized that some of the movie files are in segments, to mention a few, The Fall, Gladiator, Inception, Watchmen director's cut, and many more. On a COPY MODE.
Is there a way to get away with this?
Please help. Only If I have time to reconstruct them. But still, impossible!
Thanks a bunch!!!

SuperFist

I'm revisiting this thread and post nearly 3 years later and I have since replayed these burned movies and they play flawlessly still! :D

[QUOTE=SuperFist;110858]In the interest of this thread and those who wish to purchase the most reliable media they can at the most affordable rate, I decided to go back and test the first discs I burned with the computer I built a few days after New Year's 2011. I will give you the model Blu-ray burner I copied them with along with the movie I backed up, the media ID of the discs I used, the brand name, speed, the speed I recorded them at as well as the date I actually made them. All of the following backed up movies currently play flawlessly in my PS3 with the latest 4.10 update.

Blu-ray Burner: LG 10x BD-RE WH10LS30

[SIZE="2"]Backed Up Movie - Media ID - Brand - Speed Burned - Date Created[/SIZE]

Entourage Season 6 (All Discs) - RITEK-BR2-000 - RiDATA 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 1/8/11

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children - RITEK-BR2-000 - RiDATA 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 1/13/11

The Town - RITEK-BR2-000 - Optical Quantum 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 2/15/11

The A-Team - RITEK-BR2-000 - Optical Quantum 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 3/19/11

Hero - RITEK-BR2-000 - Optical Quantum 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 3/23/11

Spider-Man - RITEK-BR2-000 - Optical Quantum 4x 25GB BD-R - 4x - 3/19/11

As you can see, all of these discs were burned a year ago and they still play just as good as if I just burned them today and the data side still looks very deep and pronounced without any visible fading.[/QUOTE]

signals

Superfist, thanks for updating, I hope others will do the same.

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