Blu Ray 3D "Insert compatible media"

glenns

I wanted you to go into the temp file that fab made from the larger iso that file should be in the main movie file.Please put the mouse over it and see how big windows says that file is? Fab should of made it 22.5 gigs and that's about what its been making them for some time now so they should fit on a rewritable 25 gig disk.I will do one to see if the fab program is making the files to big i will convert cave of forgotten dreams 3d from a 50 gig disk to 25 gigs and use a rewritable disk to see.Even if yours didn't burn the compressed file should still be in the temporary file under main movie.If you deleted it please redo it.My convert will take awhile so i won't know till i am done but you can do it in 2 hours so please retry thanks.

glenns

Its fabs job to take the 39 gig iso you made from the 50 gig store brought disk and reduce it to less than 25 gigs so it fits on a 25 gig disk.It should fit on both a rewritable and write once disk.In settings under General look at the last check box that you can check under temp.files its the last box on the whole page that you can check make sure theirs no check in that box.

Now after fab reduces the 39 gig iso you made in step one it makes a new file from the 39 gig iso you made and puts it in a temporary file under main movie because you choice to compress the main movie if you chose full disk then fab will put it in temp. full disk folder.This file gets burned but now its smaller because fab reduced it to 22.5 gigs or smaller.Now it will burn to any 25 gig blank.If Fab made the reduced movie to big to fit any 25 gig disk then that's a bug in fabs program that needs to be fixed.

I am testing for this now and that's why i want you to tell us what windows says the size of the fab reduced file is.This is the file in main movie the file fab should have burned to your 25 gig disk.To see this file even if fab couldn't burn it because it's to large to fit a 25 gig disk just click on documents,dvd fab,temporary and in this case main movie that's where fab puts the reduced from 39 gig iso in this case to the new reduced 22.5 gig movie that should fit on any 25 gig blu ray.

You see i want to see if the log files are reporting the size of the disk wrong so if the log files say one thing and windows says another plus the fact that your burning log says the file is to big well then we have a bug that needs fixing as the program should have done the burn.My conversion won't be done till this afternoon i will report my finding when i get a chance.If you happen to have the same movie it will help to see if we come up with the same numbers.Still its important for you to report your file size on the fab reduced file this way we will see why the burn didn't happen and how much over the 22.5 maximum file size fab made your converted file.I thought i had a 50 gig tangled disk but i reduced it to 8.5 gigs so i can't do the one you did.That's why i converting a different movie for this test.Another reason i want you to do it again is you used a different fab version now your using what most are using.

speedinbk

I'm going to start the re-compress this morning of Tangled so it will be done when I get in from work this eveing, I'll look at the temp folder and report then. Thanks

glenns

Yes Virginia their is a Santa clause,problem solved, first off my convert went well I converted Cave of forgotten dreams from a 43 gig iso to a fab reduced file of 22.9 gigs (23467 MB) I used a rewritable disk that has 22.5 gigs of space the burn went well even though it looks like the 22.9 gig file is a tad to big to fit on a 22.5 gig disk but it did without cutting the ending.

Now for the surprise like Speedinbk when I looked at the fab made file on the computers disk drive it doesn't show the movie name or the 22.9 gigs that fab made the burned disk even if you use the properties of the disk windows can't read the new rewritable disk at all.Powerdvd 10 my software player doesn't see the rewritable blu ray just like windows thinks this disk is blank but hold on Virginia it's not so and if Speedlinbk would have tryed the disk in a 3d blu ray player or media player he would have found this out and saved me some trouble shooting time that's ok we all had a learning curve with this 3d stuff anyway.The disk will play in a blu ray player just fine i have a movie or three that play fine on the rewritable disk in 3d.

Questions for Fab staff +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Is this a Fab error or maybe your not suppose to use rewritable disks to copy 3d blu rays so if someone from staff is reading this please let us know if this is a bug or not thanks.
A second question for Fab staff how is Fab able to burn a disk thats 22.9 gigs onto a 22.5 disk is the Fab burner using overburn for this?

glenns

I forgot in my last post that the Fab made reduced file is in the main movie file of Fab where it belongs with the name of the movie and how many gigs it is.You can burn a copy using fabs burner to a regular 25 gig blu ray and it burns normal with name and how big the file is.You can also create a miniso with virtual drive
for this reduced in size movie and now it will play with powerdvd10 on the computer.So it looks like you can use a rewritable disk to make 3d movies as long as you know windows won't see it,can't play it from disk and thinks the disk is blank but you can play the fab made file on the computer and burn a regular writeable blu ray from that file that will play on the computer or take the rewritable disk windows can't read and just play it on a 3d blu-ray player..Now i see how confusing this can be to a new user or even a old user for that matter.

I sure hope Fab staff can tell us if this is a bug that can be fixed.About 1900 people are reading this thread and the replys to it so it seems their are others reading and some learning i hope.

speedinbk

Hey Glenn/Virgina...lol

Hold the fort, not so fast Virginia!! It worked for you, but not for me. I have tried two different brands of free standing Blu Ray players (a Sony & a Panasonic) and neither player recognizes the discs. I've tried to burn the file on two different Blu Ray discs and neither worked on the free standing players I have (you were lucky). As yours, the computer drives don't recognize them either. FYI... I've not gone back to look, but I'm pretty sure if you look back through the nine pages of coversation we've had you'll see where I told you I tried to play one of the so called "completed" discs in my free standing Blu Ray drives

The file size after compression in my temp folder is 22.6GB. It should work on a standard Blu Ray, but is apparently too big for a RW.

glenns

Well The Cave of dreams came out to 22.9 and it burned without problem on my Philips rewritable 2 x blu ray disk that have a 22.5 gig capacity and to top this off it plays on a regular Panasonic dmp-bd75 blu ray player non 3d so it played in 2d and in 3d on my Sony PlayStation.You said your empty rewritable were 22.5 gigs empty same size as mine same drive and software as mine so the moral of this Xmas story is to use regular 25 gig disks that are burn once.Except for me i can burn no more than a 22.9 to a rewritable disk.

Now you still can use that file and burn it to a 25 gig disk maybe even a rewritable by using img burn and see if their burner says the file is to big if so just use over burn or write till end of disk.Now if you want it in 3d your going to have to take the file in fabs main movie folder the 23+gigs and put it back into fab and have it come out a iso then burn it with img burn or do it the easy way and use the burn once disk to burn the file using fabs burner.I find it very hard to believe that fab won't burn a 25.6 file to a 25.5 disk when using the same drive,firmware and software and different brands of rewritable disks with the same 25.5 gig size.Did you look at that burn file for the second Tangled convert did it say disk to small? can you post it please.

I think fab has a bug what if this was a non 3d job the file fab is making won't fit on your rewritable disks so i hope staff will look into this ho ho ho.

P.S. The bottom line here is now you know how to make a 3d movie using fabs burner at least on a 25 gig burn once disk.And yes Virgina i finally earned my angel wings just in time to show Santa.

speedinbk

Here are the log files for the burn this morning. At the very end of the log you'll see "THE_CONSPIRATOR", that is the movie "Tangled" should have recorded over.

Yep, sounds like a bug to me.....

Thanks again for everything Glenns, you're a great guy to care enough about peoples problems to want to help them.

DVDFab 8.2.2.2 (2012/11/29 07:07:52)

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0m 01.03s: Qt Translator file load success
0m 01.09s: Load config successful.
0m 01.10s: Init profile data driver sucessful.
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0m 03.02s: option dvd2dvd 1 dvd2mobile 1 bluray2bluray 1 bd2mobile 1 bd23d 1 bd2dvd 1 file2dvd 1 file2bluray 1 file2mobile 1 filemover 1
0m 03.04s: dvd2dvd:dvd2mobile:blu-ray2blu-ray:blu-ray2mobile:blu-ray23d:blu-ray2dvd:file2mobile:file2dvd:file2bluray:
0m 03.35s: Config ExBar successful.
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0m 05.77s: file2dvd have 1 elements.
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0m 06.14s: Config work ui controls successful.
0m 07.84s: Init burn engine successful.
0m 07.91s: StartNotify successful.
0m 32.63s: opening iso F:/DVDFAB folder/Tangled Clone/SURFING3D/SURFING3D.iso
0m 32.66s: got media type 15
0m 32.70s: got disc type 0
0m 32.70s: got max lba 20676383
0m 32.74s: type Blu-ray BDMV
0m 32.74s: volume label SURFING3D
0m 32.77s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
0m 32.80s: got discinfo
0m 32.80s: got bdmv
0m 33.41s: got extended bdinfo
0m 33.41s: opened blu-ray
1m 02.98s: opening iso F:/DVDFAB folder/Tangled Clone/SURFING3D/SURFING3D.iso
1m 02.98s: got media type 15
1m 02.98s: got disc type 0
1m 02.98s: got max lba 20676383
1m 02.98s: type Blu-ray BDMV
1m 02.98s: volume label SURFING3D
1m 03.01s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
1m 03.02s: got discinfo
1m 03.02s: got bdmv
1m 03.10s: got extended bdinfo
1m 03.10s: opened blu-ray
2m 04.21s: opening drive J
2m 04.23s: opened i/o
2m 04.24s: got media type 17
2m 05.15s: got disc type 0
2m 05.15s: got max lba 11826175
2m 05.89s: type Blu-ray BDMV
2m 05.89s: volume label THE_CONSPIRATOR_BD
2m 05.93s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
2m 06.34s: got discinfo
2m 06.39s: got bdmv
2m 06.82s: got extended bdinfo
2m 06.82s: opened blu-ray
2m 42.82s: opening iso F:/DVDFAB folder/Tangled Clone/SURFING3D/SURFING3D.iso
2m 42.82s: got media type 15
2m 42.82s: got disc type 0
2m 42.82s: got max lba 20676383
2m 42.82s: type Blu-ray BDMV
2m 42.83s: volume label SURFING3D
2m 42.85s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
2m 42.86s: got discinfo
2m 42.88s: got bdmv
2m 42.94s: got extended bdinfo
2m 42.94s: opened blu-ray
3m 14.09s: Blu-ray Copy: Main Movie
3m 14.09s: Source: ]:/BDMV/
3m 14.09s: Playlist: 4
3m 14.09s: Chapters: 1 -> 13
3m 14.09s: TotalSize: 37940 MB
3m 14.09s: SourceSize: 34314 MB
3m 14.09s: RemoveHDAudio: 0
3m 14.09s: CompressToAC3: 0
3m 14.09s: OutputSize: 23098 MB
3m 14.09s: OutputDisc: BDMV
3m 14.09s: OutputTarget: BD25
3m 14.09s: OutputVideo: 1080p/i
3m 14.09s: 3DMode: Blu-ray 3D
3m 14.09s: info: enable bd copy(mode=1)
3m 14.11s: info: video encode mode(0), bitrate(25476), lr-encode(no)
3m 14.11s: info: streams(4113.2,4352.1,4608.1)
3m 14.11s: info: blu-ray copy begin (unit[elem[atomic[00012.ssif],atomic[00013.ssif]]])
3m 14.14s: info: h264_encode: encode param profile(2) level(41) bitrate(25476)
3m 14.18s: info: processing source(00012.ssif)
72m 52.43s: info: processing source(00013.ssif)
123m 18.29s: info: group(elem[atomic[00012.ssif],atomic[00013.ssif]]) playtime(6016427 ms) source(37940 MB) request(22867 MB) real(23223 MB) bitrate(25476 kbps)
123m 18.31s: compress finished: groups request(22867 MB, 22867 MB) real(23223 MB) average_bitrate(25476 kbps)
801m 55.70s: opening drive J
801m 55.70s: opened i/o
801m 55.72s: got media type 17
801m 56.56s: got disc type 0
801m 56.57s: got max lba 11826175
801m 57.31s: type Blu-ray BDMV
801m 57.32s: volume label THE_CONSPIRATOR_BD

speedinbk

Noticed it says operation completed yet no disc players can read the disc...

Burn Folder 2012-11-29 09:11:10 -----------------------------------------------

09:11:10 Info RootDir: C:/Users/Owner/Documents/DVDFab/Temp/MainMovie/SURFING3D/

09:11:10 Info VolumeName: SURFING3D

09:11:10 Info WriteMode: 4

09:11:10 Error No enough space to hold data. 11891552 > 11826176

09:11:11 Info Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 02:06:13

glenns

Well because you files didn't burn to the disk their should be no new movie on the rewritable disk as fab didn't do the burn but fab did do the compression job.Thats why your players didn't see the new movie if fab did the burn like mine did then they most likely would play the new movie.Just do the burn by making a iso out of the main movie folder then img burn will burn the whole compressed movie on the rewritable disk even if the end credits get cut then you will see that your computer and other players will work.Now one thing your seeing wrong just because windows can't see the burned disk or blank disk in your case because their was no burn it doesn't mean fab can't see the compressed file it made in the main movie folder.Just make a iso out of it put it back in fab and use write.

First drag it into main movie then change it to write after the movie is dragged into main movie but change the output from your burner to a clone file in fab by clicking the box to targets right i think its a blu thing then open fab with it and click iso folder as target so fab will make a iso of the file in main movie and then put it in the iso folder this won't take but a few Min's.when done your file will be a iso not a folder then put it in img burn if its to big then write till end of disk or overburn and out comes a full 3d copy that should work on computer and players.

glenns

P.S. Philips my brand of rewritable is the inventor of cd and dvd technologies so maybe they are made to have some extra area on the disk for over burning or a tad more space than what windows reports as total disk space being 22.5 as the evidence shows yes indeed my 22.9 file did burn onto the disk and the whole ending was their.I do know that if you have 3-4 brands of disks most won't be exactly the same in amount of data they hold also all disks have trouble with the outer edges and some burners stop before the very end of the disks that's what software does on the burners but ours being the same burner using the same firmware you would think would burn the same way but age and use may play a part here as the laser wears it needs more power to burn and with img burn you can turn the power up a little as mine didn't use to burn 1 brand of disk after i turned the laser power up it was able to use these cheaper disks.I don't know if this will effect the life of the laser but my drive seen so much use i could buy a new one for 1/2 what i paid for this one.It's so hard to believe that fab would not do a burn because of .1 overage and mine did the burn with.4overage go figure.The only difference being the brand of rewriteable disk and even so they both reported 22.5 gigs as being what they hold.Fab can read the disk windows can't.

speedinbk

Agreed

I'll try what you mentioned earlier, but when I made another ISO from an ISO earlier, I remember not being able to open the file in fab. I mention it in this thread somewhere. I'll be out of pocket for the next couple days, so I may not be able to get back with you until possibly Sunday night.

glenns

Your not going to make a iso from a iso their would be no need to do that your going to make a iso from the temp.main movie 3d folder fab made when it reduced the 39 gig iso to fit on a 25 gig disk the 39 gig iso is no longer needed and may be deleted after checking on your 25 gig newly made file.If your going to make another iso take that 39 gig iso out of this folder make a second iso folder i call mine iso2 and put the 39 gig movie into it or like i said before delete it as long as the fab reduced movie is ok you don't need the 39 gig version any longer.

With fab once you reduce the size to under 25 gigs your only going to work with this smaller file from now on.In that folder is the reduced movie that your going to put back in fab blu ray 3d copy under write data.Drag the movie in after you drag the movie in change the target from your blu ray drive to temp/iso (change to that by clicking the blue hand holding a dvd in its hand to the right of your drive listed in the target box) so the new made iso goes into fabs iso file in fab.Making a iso from a fab file takes about 20 mins.when done you have a the 25 gig or less file made into a iso with the 3d files stored in fabs temp. files under iso now close fab and open img burn and now can burn it with img burn.Your going to burn a iso to disk.Drag the iso in fabs iso folder (this is the new one you just made not the 39 gig one you should have moved or deleted) into (img burn iso to disk) and do the burn.

When you burn it with imgburn you can use the rewritable 25 gig disk if imgburn says the iso is to big it gives you a choice to over-burn or burn to end of disk I would choice burn to end of disk but if the ending gets cut off then re-burn and use over burn.The reason i don't like to use over-burn is because sometimes their are read errors near the end when you over-burn.Your file is only a tad to big but imgburn may just burn it normally but because its a 3d file that fab made we had to turn it into a iso to burn it in imgburn and that's what we just did.I guess the 2000 of us reading this got to wait for you to come home on Sunday night to see if you get it done.

in the mean time I would like Fab staff to know that these files fab is making is a tad too large to burn on some brands of 25 gig rewritable disks i believe he used ritec rewritable and the data was just .1 over the disk 22.5 limit disk capicity.Another nice thing to add to fabs burner is write to end of disk and over burn like img burn has i hope this can be done in the future along with a better improved transcoder as theirs been so many people having problems with 504 errors filter problems and hanging problems fab really needs to improve this beore adding new feature's and interfaces.

glenns

You cloned the 50 gig movie from the store brought disk which produced a 39 gig iso in step 1

In step 2 you open Fab and drag the 39 gig iso into blu ray copy and you wanted main movie so you clicked main movie and set the gigs to 25 gigs on the bottom of the page.If you clicked on target and removed your blu ray drive and clicked on the hand with the blue dvd in the hand you can change the output to a iso so if you did this in this step Fab will produce a 3d ISO if this is so the movie will come out a iso and be next to the movies name in the iso folder example (kingkong iso) its this file that's produced after Fab does the compression that needs to be a iso if your going to use Img burn to burn the 3d iso. So if your reduced 23.1 gig file Fab made is already a iso then you can just drag it into img burn and burn it.

If in step 2 you didn't change the target box when you put the 39 gig iso in Fab
to make the 25 gig disk then the target was your blu ray drive so that means fab will do the burn.Even if fab doesn't do the burn like in your case the reduced to 25 gig file is still in fabs temp. files main movie but its not in iso form its in file form that fab can burn but we want to use img burn in this case because fab would not burn the file because it was .1 to big.Because of this we have to turn the file fab made files in main movie into a iso for img burn to burn unless you did this already when you started step 2.

How do you tell if you can't remember just look in the fab temp. files find the reduced to less than 25 gig file and see if it says iso after the movie name if it does then you can burn it with img burn right now if its a file then you need to put it back in fab under (blu ray copy write) change target to a iso folder in fab by clicking the hand next to target with the blue dvd in hand and fab will make the file into a iso and write to your fab folder.After about 20 mins when done close fab then go in and take the new iso found in fabs temp.iso files and drag it into img burn then use img burn (iso to disk) use your rewritable if you want and if it says file to big use write to end of disk or overburn.

speedinbk

Back in town, I'll be trying it out when I get in from wk tonight. I'll give you a report back then.

speedinbk

No luck... I compressed the clone file as a main movie 3D ISO, attemped to burn onto RW through Image burn. Image burn says the file is to big, I tell it to continue to end of disc, the burn starts and then errors out at 96%.
I'm not sure how to find and post logs from Image burn. I'd be happy to if you want to tell me.

glenns

Click on help in img burn the 9th choice down the list is logs post them here for the last burn.If burn to end of disk doesn't work try choice two over burn and see if that will work.Make sure disk is clean to prevent read errors and not scratched.

The 3d choice is burn to write once disk because they hold a little more information than rewritable.And your last choice is get a rewritable disk that have a tad more room such as Philips rewritable disks as i seem to get more on them with the same drive and firmware as you.

Drop a note to fabs support tell them the fab file fab is making won't fit on some brands or rewritable disks give them the brand of rewritable your using and the file size fab reduced the movie to and name of reduced movie.I say to email them because even though their are over 2,000 people reading this the problem that the file is to big is not getting to the right persons to do something about trying to recreate this using your brand of rewritable and if it is no one is saying their working on this.

I wish Fab would open a topic on bugs they are working on as their are many unanswered questions in the forum sometimes they ask for a log you provide then theirs no more dialog so you don't know if they gave up or tried to reproduce your issue or gave it to the developers to fix.Seems with all the people having problems converting and getting errors using Fabs trans-coder that they would take a look into this and i hope they are to improve Fab why not open a topic keeping us informed as to the bugs or improvements the developers are working on so the people that report the bugs and problems that don't get answers from the forum at least can read the developers topics they are working on so we can see if our topic is being looked at.

speedinbk

I agree totally!! I'm sure the write once will probably wk, but I don't always want to us a write once disc, so I was trying to get it to happen on an RW.

I'll send the log details when I get in from wk.

speedinbk

When I pull up logs like you explained, it shows the last IB log was 6/19/2011?
What's up with that?

glenns

Well it means your files have not been cleaned out all of the times you used fab from the 1st time will be their with the newest files are on top.Cut and past just the file you were working on and delete the rest.Do try overburn and lets see if that will work with the RW disk it should if indeed the file fab reduced is .1 oversized.

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