Any secret to getting the English forced subtitles to show on either Volume 1 and Volume 2 of Kill Bill? Can get full blown subtitles to show. Even VLC can not seem to pick up the forced subtitles no matter what Options I've tested. Forced works with movies like Avatar, Monuments Men, etc., so I know it can work.

Which container are you saving your movie back-up to?

Good question. Don't know why I left it off. MKV Tried MakeMKV and that works and the forced subtitles are shown. But as with all output from MakeMKV the file size is huge.

You can try extracting to idx\sub and VLC should pick up the correct subs. At least it does for me on Thor Dark World.

Thanks but I'm using VLC just to test the archive. I'm playing the video file through my Mede8er 800X3D as the norm. ISO's work. No stuttering even being streamed from my NAS and the file size is large. Apparently Kill Bill's do not actually have forced subtitles. The subtitles are stand alone like regular subtitles. DVDFab sees two English subtitle tracks. I found with one functions as the regular kind of subtitles. Which means I found the one that functions like the "forced" ones usually do. I made the ISO with the desired subtitle track but did NOT select "only forced". Tested it in both version 8 and 9. It works fine with the Mede8er. The kung fu master's dialog is both synched and quite legible. I am trying one more thing and that is another MKV attempt but selecting the desired subtitle track but am rendering to video. I tried VOBSUB, did not work. But I've done so many trials I may have left Forced Subtitle on and that has to be unchecked.

Just be advised there is a known bug in Fab on the way it handles forced subs on certain titles. So your results might be unpredictable.

Bugs in Fab? No way..... ;) Rendering the desired subtitle track into the video also worked. Finding the relevant subtitle track AND not selecting "Forced" seems to be the trick. Trying one more right now in a more normal fashion with PGS, desired track and not selecting "Forced". Although I like the render into video. Smaller MKV and it acts as what "forced" should be. Regardless of my subtitle setting they show.

The normal way I do subtitles worked as well, PGS remux into file, but again with Kill Bill the Forced Subtitle option in DVDFab is not the correct option to check. Even though I end up with for all practical purposes forced subtitles those subtitles are not structured on the bluray as actual forced subtitles. They are structured as regular subtitles. Using the render to video is a nice option. Probably going to always use these kinds of subtitles, forced types. Rendering the Kill Bill subtitles to video turned them into actual forced subtitles. Lot of work to get to "I will treat you like a dog....hit you with a stick...."

I think it would be useful if you could run one or more of your 'problem' files through an application called MediaInfo (set to text mode). And post what it reports, IN FULL as a text (.txt) file?

I have the forced subtitles I can't remember what I did when ripping to get the forced subtitles, but I have them for volume 1 & 2 in .SRT format which you can mux into the MKV file using MKVmerge. PM if you like me to send you the srt files.

I don't have any problem files. The files are just fine. It would be nice to have an easy way to quickly check which blurays do sub titles like this, the forced is actually a stand alone "subtitle". I've been told there is a spread sheet that is keeping a running list. Which is great. Would be so much easier if MediaInfo did something like that too.

Kill Bill English Forced Subtitles?

Wilson.Wang

DVDFab will show the process info for the froced subtitle when DVDFab detect the forced subtitle in converting.

a separate track that has only forced subs none of which are flagged as forced (e.g. Kill Bill Vol. 1)

Did you check the "Display the forced subtitle only" option when converting?
Please uncheck the option and try again.

Wilson

fab_admin

"forced subtitles"

Yes, checked it. Didn't work for Kill Bill. That's because the subtitle tracks for Kill Bill that are the forced subtitles, is structured as if it is a regular subtitle.

If you check "forced" you get no usable subtitle.

For Kill Bill you have to select the second listed English subtitle track and do NOT check "Forced".

Then it works just fine.

SeeMoreDigital

[QUOTE=Wilson.Wang;164465]Did you check the "Display the forced subtitle only" option when converting?
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I'm thinking along the same lines... Which I why I suggested that jsmiddleton4 supply us with a detailed MediaInfo file report for his encode ;)

fab_admin

Please feel free to Yahoo or Google Kill Bill subtitles. As you scroll through the pages and pages of hits your search will generate you will learn as I did how to archive Kill Bill so the subtitles will display as if "forced".

There is a spread sheet of disk that are assembled just like Kill Bill in which that which we think of as "forced subtitles" is actually a stand alone subtitle and if you select "forced" in any ripping software you get no subtitle to display.

The link to that spread sheet is on AVS Forum.

fab_admin

Thanks Nik. I'll give that a try. Nice to have the step by step.

DVDFab also does external subtitles and will mux them into the file once you have the external srt file. I've not done it but have seen the option.

Nik_Simpson

[QUOTE=jsmiddleton4;164469]Please feel free to Yahoo or Google Kill Bill subtitles. As you scroll through the pages and pages of hits your search will generate you will learn as I did how to archive Kill Bill so the subtitles will display as if "forced".

There is a spread sheet of disk that are assembled just like Kill Bill in which that which we think of as "forced subtitles" is actually a stand alone subtitle and if you select "forced" in any ripping software you get no subtitle to display.

The link to that spread sheet is on AVS Forum.[/QUOTE]

I generally work on the principle that if there is only a single English subtitle track then selecting Forced will work. If there are multiple English subtitle tracks then it's a lottery and I use the method I outlined earlier in this thread.

fab_admin

That could be the "secret". Would take some quick testing but I know I have some blurays that only list one English subtitle track and for those "Forced" works as desired.

Kill Bill as you noted has two English tracks listed and for me it is the second track that performs as if it is actually the forced.

When selecting the second English track but making the MKV using the option to include the subtitle in the video, that also for all intentional purposes functioned as the way Forced works.

No matter what the subtitle setting is you see the intermittent translations "forced".

So in Kill Bill I know I am going to be beaten like a dog because I don't speak Chinese..... regardless of the subtitle option on my media player.

;)

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