Within the past week, a couple of people have posted on Reddit, receiving an email from Amazon. "Hello, We are reaching out to inform you about some concerning activity detected on your Amazon prime video account violating the Prime Video Terms of use".... Followed by mentioning section 4.k of the TOS and issuing a warning without taking any action on the account.Anybody else have seen this?

Within the past week, a couple of people have posted on Reddit, receiving an email from Amazon. "Hello, We are reaching out to inform you about some concerning activity detected on your Amazon prime video account violating the Prime Video Terms of use".... Followed by mentioning section 4.k of the TOS and issuing a warning without taking any action on the account.Anybody else have seen this?MrMayorit's being talked about over here on discord, their banning accounts of people that rip stuff from Amazon.

Interesting! What are the circumstances behind the emails? Is the user downloading 100 files per day, possibly for several days at a time? Are they downloading from their own region, or are they VPNing to another region? In other words, what is the "activity detected on your Amazon prime video account" that is abnormal enough that they feel the need to issue a warning or to ban an account? As for the 100 files a day, the very most a people could actually watch in a single day would 48 half-hour shows. Hour long shows and movies are even less. It's very easy for them to know that you aren't just binge-watching. Greed ruins it for everybody.On the other hand, if Amazon (or anyone else) wants to ban me, that's fine with me. They'd be out subscription money for Amazon Prime and three other providers that I get over Amazon now. I wind up with more dollars in my pocket, and I'll still be able to get all the files I want via Torrenting. It's their loss, not mine. I guarantee that the time will come in a short amount of time that Amazon will offer downloads for a few extra dollars as part of their subscriptions. They don't really care that you are downloading, they just want to be the one making the money off it and not a third party like DVDFab.

Interesting! What are the circumstances behind the emails? Is the user downloading 100 files per day, possibly for several days at a time? Are they downloading from their own region, or are they VPNing to another region? In other words, what is the "activity detected on your Amazon prime video account" that is abnormal enough that they feel the need to issue a warning or to ban an account? As for the 100 files a day, the very most a people could actually watch in a single day would 48 half-hour shows. Hour long shows and movies are even less. It's very easy for them to know that you aren't just binge-watching. Greed ruins it for everybody.On the other hand, if Amazon (or anyone else) wants to ban me, that's fine with me. They'd be out subscription money for Amazon Prime and three other providers that I get over Amazon now. I wind up with more dollars in my pocket, and I'll still be able to get all the files I want via Torrenting. It's their loss, not mine. I guarantee that the time will come in a short amount of time that Amazon will offer downloads for a few extra dollars as part of their subscriptions. They don't really care that you are downloading, they just want to be the one making the money off it and not a third party like DVDFab.Cats4Usee here - https://www.reddit.com/r/Streamfab/comments/1lxr0cs/amazon_warning_message/?share_id=Va4HTG25G4pME9VIgjKGP&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

A few quick thoughts- AWS "knows" when you request each title, if you have the regular account (with ads) it might be triggering no ads watched tripwire, also, they might have a trigger to see if you "got the title" but Amazon's player doesn't register the title as "watched"The short of it is: it's naïve to assume that someone at amazon hasn't worked out what the difference between genuine player and what SF does (even just going off the ads, recall it's an avenue stream that SF deprives of the corporation that's posting billions in net profit)

This is not how it works. You can download an encrypted file without an Amazon account, just follow the link from the MPD. SF gets the decryption key and does not play the file, as recordings programs do. then, using the key, decryption module and muxer, the user receives his file. An Amazon account is required to access the MPD file and receive the key.Suspicion often arises when people often buy a TV series or a movie and after some time (for which you can download what you bought using SF) cancel the purchase, as if they bought it by mistake. many people indulge in this

Amazons loss.Since they started the ripoff £1.99 to remove ads in addition to the Prime Video sub we are forced to pay even if we only want quick deliveries I cancel my Prime every month. I used to let it roll but now I cancel then renew as and when I need it. Sometimes weeks sometimes days but they lose out. If they stopped us being able to download stuff I would not bother. Although I don't currently have Netflix or Paramount subs if they did block downloading I wouldn't bother with them at all

This is not how it works. You can download an encrypted file without an Amazon account, just follow the link from the MPD. SF gets the decryption key and does not play the file, as recordings programs do. then, using the key, decryption module and muxer, the user receives his file. An Amazon account is required to access the MPD file and receive the key.Suspicion often arises when people often buy a TV series or a movie and after some time (for which you can download what you bought using SF) cancel the purchase, as if they bought it by mistake. many people indulge in thisbricksYou are free to believe whatever you like, or you can set up an injector between SF and AWS and find out yourself by pushing random errors that claim to befrom AWS toward SF :rolleyes:And in the case of a latter (purchased, downloaded, cancelled), AWS registers "access" but no corresponding "play," the "play" would prevent cancellation, but the cancellation happened, hence you get a discrepancy triggered

Amazons loss.Since they started the ripoff £1.99 to remove ads in addition to the Prime Video sub we are forced to pay even if we only want quick deliveries I cancel my Prime every month. I used to let it roll but now I cancel then renew as and when I need it. Sometimes weeks sometimes days but they lose out. If they stopped us being able to download stuff I would not bother. Although I don't currently have Netflix or Paramount subs if they did block downloading I wouldn't bother with them at allphelingsI've long been saying all this nonsense from the vendors actually enables the scene and download sites get rich at the expense of amazon

Reddit had several people; in fact, one thread was deleted.I don't know what is setting this in motion. I haven't seen anyone post about it here in the forum till now.In the other deleted thread, it was from Amazon uk. Not sure if there is just an issue with the UK version, or it's something that will spread out over all of Amazon, including Amazon.com.I suppose in a way, they may have found something they are trying and focusing on; many I know do 100 max downloads a day. I know there were times when I did 100 per day for several days in a row.Some are wondering why just getting the email now; it could be that they just started to implement it. Now I don't have the demand to do 100 per day. I do still see where it can be hard. We talked before about an increase to 200 or more for Amazon because people are buying Paramount and many other providers through Amazon. If you have 3 other providers and count Amazon as well, that's 4, divide 100 by 4 that gives you 25 downloads per provider per day.All that can be done is watch the situation, and if you need 100, maybe try to spread it out at 10 to 25, then take a break and repeat.In the end, they can possibly lose money if they keep letting people download, but no matter what, it will continue, and to ban or block paying people from watching or using Prime for watching movies or shows really can cause a loss of money as well. Amazon, the last thing they need to worry about is losing money. And the added money to remove ads when Prime never had them since its inception is just that, BS.Another interesting point is that many claim most other programs record, although I know 2 that surely go out of their way to make it look as though they are downloading and not recording, but you wonder if they will cause this problem to trigger if they do either download or record.I am not even sure Amazon has a way to reply or contact them, but I feel that if I got the letter, I would want more details.Because we don't know if these people are purchasing trials and then canceling, or what else they may be doing, even maybe sharing their accounts.And people may need to stop VPN use, as that's one of the easiest things for websites to detect.Try it and check it out on reliable bank sites, etc. OR check Proxy & VPN Detection API | proxycheck.io

I think some common sense would come into play too, if the VPN use itself is not the trigger. If all you do is rip, and never actually watch shows on your Prime Video account, that would trigger me if it were my service. I try to watch shows on my Prime account quite a bit via my Apple TV and I have the full upgraded Prime subscription, as well as couple of addon channels. Sorry if that was 'captain obvious' comment, but I'm actually in midst of downloading some stuff for my new movie box in living room, some to replace ancient dvd isos of discs I purchased, as my movie box gets confused by mult-disc sets per season, so the ripped versions (e.g., Invader Zim, etc.) is way more practical. Keeping eye on this topic since top of mind. Kinda been going nuts on Amazon downloads as it was a way to get many of my Apple legit purchases as downloads for my new movie box which cannot use the Apple 'app' at all.

Warning email from Amazon

simchris

There was someone who uses his account to purchase supplies for office regularly reported that his account got banned. It took him two emails and one phone call to get his account back, so, there is no pattern, or if there is one, no one has figured it out yet.
theresay

I guess we'll all have to wait and see. Downloaded bunch of stuff yesterday.

filmgal

From what I see here these messages began July 8th. That's the date that Amazon Prime Day began (in the US anyway, not sure about other countries).

I mention this only because I went through my junk mail and received something from Amazon on that day that mentioned bogus phishing mails.

Then today I noticed that one of the tech sites I follow (sorry - I saw it about 6 hours ago, but I don't know how to go through notifications on my android phone), could be Tom's Guide, could be Wire Cutter... that was all about amazon phishing emails sent on July 8th.

I'm just leaving this info here. Could be relevant, might not be. I don't know.
I've not received anything relating to what's being discussed in this forum (yet?).
I have both Amazon ca and Amazon us accounts.
I just thought the date these began (as reported here) was fishy.

slottedpig

From what I see here these messages began July 8th. That's the date that Amazon Prime Day began (in the US anyway, not sure about other countries).

I mention this only because I went through my junk mail and received something from Amazon on that day that mentioned bogus phishing mails.

Then today I noticed that one of the tech sites I follow (sorry - I saw it about 6 hours ago, but I don't know how to go through notifications on my android phone), could be Tom's Guide, could be Wire Cutter... that was all about amazon phishing emails sent on July 8th.

I'm just leaving this info here. Could be relevant, might not be. I don't know.
I've not received anything relating to what's being discussed in this forum (yet?).
I have both Amazon ca and Amazon us accounts.
I just thought the date these began (as reported here) was fishy.
filmgal

But people received account bans....there is currently no rhyme or reason on these messages or emails.

jy616

Got a warning email on 7/24.
Strange thing is that the email is sent from amazon au. I never used or logged in to that region's site.

David_L312

Got a warning email on 7/24.
Strange thing is that the email is sent from amazon au. I never used or logged in to that region's site.
jy616

Interesting from amazon.au. What is your normal amazon account? Did you receive both E-Mail and Amazon Message? Have you stopped downloading since you received the message?

I'm in US with no-commercial add-on. Been downloading a good amount lately, but haven't received anything.

jy616

Interesting from amazon.au. What is your normal amazon account? Did you receive both E-Mail and Amazon Message? Have you stopped downloading since you received the message?

I'm in US with no-commercial add-on. Been downloading a good amount lately, but haven't received anything.
David_L312

I usually use amazon.jp.
just checked, there is no message under my account, just an email.
I stopped downloading since then.

simchris

I'm in US with no-commercial add-on. Been downloading a good amount lately, but haven't received anything.
David_L312

same here.

lucas Zxc

hey guys, the new version of Streamfab has arrived, the 6.2.4.7, among the things that have changed:

New: Some improvements on the Amazon analysis and download engine.
New: Added support to analyze and download video highlights from Amazon Prime Video.

did this solve the problem of Amazon knowing who is downloading and sending emails and warnings caused by that API update?

Germania

did this solve the problem of Amazon knowing who is downloading and sending emails and warnings caused by that API update?
lucas Zxc

As a precaution, I would not assume that.

And if that still applies:

BTW, a same account is used for downloading the videos every day from Amazon US/DE/UK/JP,
but we are still not receive the warning email or message.
Wilson.Wang

It might also be difficult to test this ..
.. especially since the email is not necessarily sent immediately after the trigger.

lucas Zxc

As a precaution, I would not assume that.

And if that still applies:

It might also be difficult to test this ..
.. especially since the email is not necessarily sent immediately after the trigger.
Germania

well, in any case, I hope someone can test to see if things are safe or not

DQ1

Just wanted to mention the way I am thinking about this just to see what others think on the topic going forward.

I don't think there is anything Fab (as software) can do such that Amazon won't know what we are doing. Amazon can read these forums and buy Fab too. Your login, your IP, your behavior, they know and they will never not know. The only question is do they care enough to put forth effort to curb it.

I assume this is a warning shot. From this point on I would not assume we get warnings prior to a ban. And if they REALLY wanted to make a point of it, they could indeed send out lawsuits to make examples of a few folks. It's happened in the past.

I plan on ceasing using Fab for now with Amazon. I will let the dust settle and go from there. I have alternate plans but I will wait.

MrGrackle

Why wouldn't they just block access to their video site? A little heavy handed to completely cancel your account.

And still --- is there a possibility of removing the DRM from stuff that you legit download to use later with their video player? We see software to do that with itunes stuff.

slottedpig

Why wouldn't they just block access to their video site? A little heavy handed to completely cancel your account.

And still --- is there a possibility of removing the DRM from stuff that you legit download to use later with their video player? We see software to do that with itunes stuff.
MrGrackle

What software with itunes? That was a thing in the past but then it became to complicated and now i havent seen anything come up in place of that for the itunes store..

Sebastian001

well, in any case, I hope someone can test to see if things are safe or not
lucas Zxc

How do you want to test that? Do you think Amazon will give a GO? OK, now I can't see you anymore!

lucas Zxc

How do you want to test that? Do you think Amazon will give a GO? OK, now I can't see you anymore!
Sebastian001

well, I don't know, maybe downloading enough for what would cause the open and sending the Email

I would test it, but 1, I don't want to risk my Prime, 2 I don't have their full module to be able to test

Germania

I would test it, but 1, I don't want to risk my Prime
lucas Zxc

I use currently a new account with 30 day trial to protect my paid account ..
.. if amazon prefer that ..

kwyjibo20

Is it feasible to grab the same data but from Amazon like an unmodified browser when it plays the video? Fewer videos in a day, but possibly harder to detect. I prefer the quality over quantity.

Nexus-3

I use currently a new account with 30 day trial to protect my paid account ..
.. if amazon prefer that ..
Germania

You still have to give a card or something for a trial don't you?
How do you get around this?

october262

You still have to give a card or something for a trial don't you?
How do you get around this?
Nexus-3

prepaid debt / credit card ??

Cats4U

hey guys, the new version of Streamfab has arrived, the 6.2.4.7, among the things that have changed:

New: Some improvements on the Amazon analysis and download engine.
New: Added support to analyze and download video highlights from Amazon Prime Video.

lucas Zxc

@Wilson.Wang,
Whether you realize it or not, this is a moment of crisis for Amazon StreamFab users. Most of us are avoiding the downloading of Amazon files at all cost. Since Prime Days alone, I've spent pretty close to a $1000 on Amazon merchandise. Between my wife's health and mine, going shopping locally is a rarity. I can't afford to lose my Prime membership. Yet, you give us a new changelog that doesn't specifically address our problem. Luckily, I have not received a warning or a dismembership so far, mainly because it is summer hiatus time in the US and there is really nothing to download that I'm interested in. I would have stopped downloading anyway due to the uncertainty. This uncertainty can only have a bad effect on future sales of StreamFab.
And that's where you come in. You need to break the uncertainty. We need to know if the Amazon changes in 6.2.4.7 are meant to be fixes for the Amazon email warning problem. We need to know what you know about the problem and what you plan to do about it and when. You don't need to go into specifics that will give anything away to Amazon, but we need to know what is going on. One thing I do ask is that you have Erika do the explaining of the problem and hopefully the fix for it. No offense, but she is much better at English than you are. Tell her what to say in Chinese and she will make it clear in English.

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