Within the past week, a couple of people have posted on Reddit, receiving an email from Amazon. "Hello, We are reaching out to inform you about some concerning activity detected on your Amazon prime video account violating the Prime Video Terms of use".... Followed by mentioning section 4.k of the TOS and issuing a warning without taking any action on the account.Anybody else have seen this?

Within the past week, a couple of people have posted on Reddit, receiving an email from Amazon. "Hello, We are reaching out to inform you about some concerning activity detected on your Amazon prime video account violating the Prime Video Terms of use".... Followed by mentioning section 4.k of the TOS and issuing a warning without taking any action on the account.Anybody else have seen this?MrMayorit's being talked about over here on discord, their banning accounts of people that rip stuff from Amazon.

Interesting! What are the circumstances behind the emails? Is the user downloading 100 files per day, possibly for several days at a time? Are they downloading from their own region, or are they VPNing to another region? In other words, what is the "activity detected on your Amazon prime video account" that is abnormal enough that they feel the need to issue a warning or to ban an account? As for the 100 files a day, the very most a people could actually watch in a single day would 48 half-hour shows. Hour long shows and movies are even less. It's very easy for them to know that you aren't just binge-watching. Greed ruins it for everybody.On the other hand, if Amazon (or anyone else) wants to ban me, that's fine with me. They'd be out subscription money for Amazon Prime and three other providers that I get over Amazon now. I wind up with more dollars in my pocket, and I'll still be able to get all the files I want via Torrenting. It's their loss, not mine. I guarantee that the time will come in a short amount of time that Amazon will offer downloads for a few extra dollars as part of their subscriptions. They don't really care that you are downloading, they just want to be the one making the money off it and not a third party like DVDFab.

Interesting! What are the circumstances behind the emails? Is the user downloading 100 files per day, possibly for several days at a time? Are they downloading from their own region, or are they VPNing to another region? In other words, what is the "activity detected on your Amazon prime video account" that is abnormal enough that they feel the need to issue a warning or to ban an account? As for the 100 files a day, the very most a people could actually watch in a single day would 48 half-hour shows. Hour long shows and movies are even less. It's very easy for them to know that you aren't just binge-watching. Greed ruins it for everybody.On the other hand, if Amazon (or anyone else) wants to ban me, that's fine with me. They'd be out subscription money for Amazon Prime and three other providers that I get over Amazon now. I wind up with more dollars in my pocket, and I'll still be able to get all the files I want via Torrenting. It's their loss, not mine. I guarantee that the time will come in a short amount of time that Amazon will offer downloads for a few extra dollars as part of their subscriptions. They don't really care that you are downloading, they just want to be the one making the money off it and not a third party like DVDFab.Cats4Usee here - https://www.reddit.com/r/Streamfab/comments/1lxr0cs/amazon_warning_message/?share_id=Va4HTG25G4pME9VIgjKGP&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

A few quick thoughts- AWS "knows" when you request each title, if you have the regular account (with ads) it might be triggering no ads watched tripwire, also, they might have a trigger to see if you "got the title" but Amazon's player doesn't register the title as "watched"The short of it is: it's naïve to assume that someone at amazon hasn't worked out what the difference between genuine player and what SF does (even just going off the ads, recall it's an avenue stream that SF deprives of the corporation that's posting billions in net profit)

This is not how it works. You can download an encrypted file without an Amazon account, just follow the link from the MPD. SF gets the decryption key and does not play the file, as recordings programs do. then, using the key, decryption module and muxer, the user receives his file. An Amazon account is required to access the MPD file and receive the key.Suspicion often arises when people often buy a TV series or a movie and after some time (for which you can download what you bought using SF) cancel the purchase, as if they bought it by mistake. many people indulge in this

Amazons loss.Since they started the ripoff £1.99 to remove ads in addition to the Prime Video sub we are forced to pay even if we only want quick deliveries I cancel my Prime every month. I used to let it roll but now I cancel then renew as and when I need it. Sometimes weeks sometimes days but they lose out. If they stopped us being able to download stuff I would not bother. Although I don't currently have Netflix or Paramount subs if they did block downloading I wouldn't bother with them at all

This is not how it works. You can download an encrypted file without an Amazon account, just follow the link from the MPD. SF gets the decryption key and does not play the file, as recordings programs do. then, using the key, decryption module and muxer, the user receives his file. An Amazon account is required to access the MPD file and receive the key.Suspicion often arises when people often buy a TV series or a movie and after some time (for which you can download what you bought using SF) cancel the purchase, as if they bought it by mistake. many people indulge in thisbricksYou are free to believe whatever you like, or you can set up an injector between SF and AWS and find out yourself by pushing random errors that claim to befrom AWS toward SF :rolleyes:And in the case of a latter (purchased, downloaded, cancelled), AWS registers "access" but no corresponding "play," the "play" would prevent cancellation, but the cancellation happened, hence you get a discrepancy triggered

Amazons loss.Since they started the ripoff £1.99 to remove ads in addition to the Prime Video sub we are forced to pay even if we only want quick deliveries I cancel my Prime every month. I used to let it roll but now I cancel then renew as and when I need it. Sometimes weeks sometimes days but they lose out. If they stopped us being able to download stuff I would not bother. Although I don't currently have Netflix or Paramount subs if they did block downloading I wouldn't bother with them at allphelingsI've long been saying all this nonsense from the vendors actually enables the scene and download sites get rich at the expense of amazon

Reddit had several people; in fact, one thread was deleted.I don't know what is setting this in motion. I haven't seen anyone post about it here in the forum till now.In the other deleted thread, it was from Amazon uk. Not sure if there is just an issue with the UK version, or it's something that will spread out over all of Amazon, including Amazon.com.I suppose in a way, they may have found something they are trying and focusing on; many I know do 100 max downloads a day. I know there were times when I did 100 per day for several days in a row.Some are wondering why just getting the email now; it could be that they just started to implement it. Now I don't have the demand to do 100 per day. I do still see where it can be hard. We talked before about an increase to 200 or more for Amazon because people are buying Paramount and many other providers through Amazon. If you have 3 other providers and count Amazon as well, that's 4, divide 100 by 4 that gives you 25 downloads per provider per day.All that can be done is watch the situation, and if you need 100, maybe try to spread it out at 10 to 25, then take a break and repeat.In the end, they can possibly lose money if they keep letting people download, but no matter what, it will continue, and to ban or block paying people from watching or using Prime for watching movies or shows really can cause a loss of money as well. Amazon, the last thing they need to worry about is losing money. And the added money to remove ads when Prime never had them since its inception is just that, BS.Another interesting point is that many claim most other programs record, although I know 2 that surely go out of their way to make it look as though they are downloading and not recording, but you wonder if they will cause this problem to trigger if they do either download or record.I am not even sure Amazon has a way to reply or contact them, but I feel that if I got the letter, I would want more details.Because we don't know if these people are purchasing trials and then canceling, or what else they may be doing, even maybe sharing their accounts.And people may need to stop VPN use, as that's one of the easiest things for websites to detect.Try it and check it out on reliable bank sites, etc. OR check Proxy & VPN Detection API | proxycheck.io

I think some common sense would come into play too, if the VPN use itself is not the trigger. If all you do is rip, and never actually watch shows on your Prime Video account, that would trigger me if it were my service. I try to watch shows on my Prime account quite a bit via my Apple TV and I have the full upgraded Prime subscription, as well as couple of addon channels. Sorry if that was 'captain obvious' comment, but I'm actually in midst of downloading some stuff for my new movie box in living room, some to replace ancient dvd isos of discs I purchased, as my movie box gets confused by mult-disc sets per season, so the ripped versions (e.g., Invader Zim, etc.) is way more practical. Keeping eye on this topic since top of mind. Kinda been going nuts on Amazon downloads as it was a way to get many of my Apple legit purchases as downloads for my new movie box which cannot use the Apple 'app' at all.

Warning email from Amazon

Nexus-3

prepaid debt / credit card ??
october262

Not sure we got those here??
Do they have a name on them?
Wonder where I would get one??
I need to look into it
Thanks

october262

Not sure we got those here??
Do they have a name on them?
Wonder where I would get one??
I need to look into it
Thanks
Nexus-3

do you have a Dollar general or walmart in your area ?? try looking there.

David_L312

How do you want to test that? Do you think Amazon will give a GO? OK, now I can't see you anymore!
Sebastian001

It's an interesting situation. We don't know what % of customers got the warning. I never got the waring but I've stopped downloading for now. There's probably other people who are still in the bubble downloading away happily. I suppose we'll see if new people getting warnings keep popping in. Amazon may have noticed a decrease in activity/bandwidth so it's an interesting metric for them.

Some people have mentioned creating 2nd prime accounts to download from. So we may get a bit more information there.

Wilson.Wang

Hi all,

We did some improvements in the new version 6247, at least that the process is same as watching the video from Amazon website when analyzing and downloading videos from Amazon in StreamFab.

It should be usefull for the Amazon warning problem.

Not sure we got those here??
Do they have a name on them?
Wonder where I would get one??
I need to look into it
Thanks
Nexus-3

If you want to create a new account for downloading videos but not have the another credit card, you can order an Amazon Gift Card with your main account and subscript the Amazon Prime with the gift card payment in the new account.

Wilson

Cats4U

Hi all,

We did some improvements in the new version 6247, at least that the process is same as watching the video from Amazon website when analyzing and downloading videos from Amazon in StreamFab.

It should be usefull for the Amazon warning problem.

Wilson
Wilson.Wang

I don't feel comfortable with that answer. "It should be usefull [sic]" does not give one much confidence that you are certain it will fix the problem. I won't be downloading any videos from Amazon until some other guinea pigs use 6.2.4.7 and don't wind up either getting a warning or kicked off of Amazon. In order to get some guinea pigs, would you be willing to give $500 (or its equivalent in the user's country) to any StreamFab 6.2.4.7 user who loses their Amazon Prime membership? Why should the user take all the risk?

tt4079

I certainly would be hesitant in buying any streamfab modules considering the current situation with amazon.

Germania

you can order an Amazon Gift Card with your main account and subscript the Amazon Prime with the gift card payment in the new account.
Wilson.Wang

This is not in all countries possible ..
.. it can't used for pv in Germany => info

And with PrimeVideo (outside US/UK):
[quote]If you're only paying with Gift Cards, the free trial isn’t available.[/quote]

I personally prefer vcc (virtual credit cards), which I can cancel at any time ..
.. but for paid channels you need (mostly) a local payment method.

0xFeedBeef

I don't feel comfortable with that answer. "It should be usefull [sic]" does not give one much confidence that you are certain it will fix the problem. I won't be downloading any videos from Amazon until some other guinea pigs use 6.2.4.7 and don't wind up either getting a warning or kicked off of Amazon. In order to get some guinea pigs, would you be willing to give $500 (or its equivalent in the user's country) to any StreamFab 6.2.4.7 user who loses their Amazon Prime membership? Why should the user take all the risk?

Cats4U

You're asking for guarantees that simply cannot be given, c'mon, of all people you ought to know that ;)

Cats4U

You're asking for guarantees that simply cannot be given, c'mon, of all people you ought to know that ;)
0xFeedBeef

I don't agree. He is the one that is claiming that 6.2.4.7 "should" fix the warning problem. It's about time that they be held accountable for these claims. Lord knows that we are barraged every day with advertisements saying how good everything is. Losing your Amazon Prime membership is too big a deal to be taken lightly with a "should". It's a very specific claim, either 6.2.4.7 does fix the warning problem, or it doesn't. The user is the only one that suffers badly if it doesn't. DvdFab is out nothing. This is not your typical cat and mouse game where you might not be able to use a certain module for a week or two. As the emails say, losing your Amazon Prime account is permanent. Someone that finds themselves in that situation should be compensated by the one making the claim that it won't happen.

0xFeedBeef

I don't agree. He is the one that is claiming that 6.2.4.7 "should" fix the warning problem.

Cats4U

C'mon, unless you know what the trigger pattern is, you can't make a guaranteed claim, besides, it might work today, but prime might change the API tomorrow and it'll be detectable again; when playing with fire, you risk getting burned, it's simple as that.

jpp72

This is not in all countries possible ..
.. it can't used for pv in Germany => info

And with PrimeVideo (outside US/UK):

I personally prefer vcc (virtual credit cards), which I can cancel at any time ..
.. but for paid channels you need (mostly) a local payment method.
Germania

If you subscribe to a channel, you need a payment method from that Amazon region, but once subscribed, you can setup your gift card as a backup payment method and remove the other payment method. As long as there are funds available in your gift card, and you don't unsubscribe, you're good.

Like @0xFeedBeef said, there are no guarantees Amazon won't frequently change the API so i am NEVER downloading with my real account again.

Sebastian001

If you subscribe to a channel, you need a payment method from that Amazon region, but once subscribed, you can setup your gift card as a backup payment method and remove the other payment method. As long as there are funds available in your gift card, and you don't unsubscribe, you're good.

Like @0xFeedBeef said, there are no guarantees Amazon won't frequently change the API so i am NEVER downloading with my real account again.
jpp72

Well, you don't have this guarantee with Max, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, or your regional provider in Canada either!

jpp72

Well, you don't have this guarantee with Max, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, or your regional provider in Canada either!
Sebastian001

Ya but Max, Disney and Hulu I already use fake accounts. For Netflix, if they implement something like that, it makes sense you get a warning first. Then I would discontinue using it on my account. And even if I get my account cancelled, it's only Netflix. I can make another account.

For Amazon, I buy physical goods from them on an almost daily basis. Getting that account purged would be a huge deal. There are no comparisons with streaming only accounts.

Sebastian001

Yes, you're right. The good thing about the fake Amazon account is that if you receive an email after three days, you'll know that Wilson's fix has no effect. If no message arrives, we don't know anything...

Cats4U

C'mon, unless you know what the trigger pattern is, you can't make a guaranteed claim, besides, it might work today, but prime might change the API tomorrow and it'll be detectable again; when playing with fire, you risk getting burned, it's simple as that.
0xFeedBeef

I don't need to know the trigger pattern, they do. They seem to think that they do know it and it "should" be fixed. Time to put their money where their mouth is, if they feel that confident about it. As I said, I have zero intention of risking my Amazon Prime membership by continuing to download from them. I'll let someone else be the guinea pig. I don't know how many users here would be willing to risk their AP membership for nothing. I won't even do it for the hypothetical $500 that I asked them if they'd be willing to give as compensation for the loss of someone's AP membership. I need my Amazon Prime, and the videos are the least important benefit to having it. And I have no urge to play credit/gift card games to try to defeat the system. It's just one other way they can say I'm violating their terms and conditions and I lose my AP membership.

MrGrackle

Sounds like a secondary account is the best bet. If a real CC is needed for the first step I could either set up a virtual one on Chase or get one of those prepaid ones at Walmart. If you buy the gift card prepaids some organizations know they're gift cards. Worth a shot still. Using a digital gift card, any forensic accountant could connect the dots. One of my local grocery stores sell physical Amazon gift cards.
As someone that has not seen the email YET, maybe there is a grading system and I have not crossed the threshold. At this point, is not worth jeopardizing my primary account.

All the hostilities towards the SF team though is probably not merited. Even if this were AS, the issue would probably be happening there as well.

In answer to a previous question, I thought for sure it was a Fengtao product that removed the DRM from itunes mp3 files. It's been awhile.

Jack,

Are you using a different name on the account as well? No doubt a different email address. I also assume they require a physical address that can be verified on Google maps.

Anyone on there that has gotten the warning, what version of the software are you using?
Are you using any sort of mods such as the season only mod?
Are you using movie mode or out of the box behavior?
Are you using Jack's script to analyze the single episode?
Does any of it really matter?

Sebastian001

I haven't heard anything from Musicfab users, but they should be affected too. But I don't know how the download works there compared to Streamfab. I'll ask in the forum.

MrGrackle

Having not installed the latest version yet, does the Season Fix still work? Is the analyze behavior completely reworked so we don't need it?

jpp72

Jack,

Are you using a different name on the account as well? No doubt a different email address. I also assume they require a physical address that can be verified on Google maps.

Anyone on there that has gotten the warning, what version of the software are you using?
Are you using any sort of mods such as the season only mod?
Are you using movie mode or out of the box behavior?
Are you using Jack's script to analyze the single episode?
Does any of it really matter?
MrGrackle

For Canada, totally made up name, gmail account with that made up name, real address but not mine. It's a random address in a completely different part of town. Physical prepaid visa bought with cash at the pharmacy.

For US, same except the card is from statescard.com, usunlocked.com or a physical prepaid card bought in the US whenever i would go there, which was pretty often. I am boycotting US travel until a certain orange fella is out of office.

I got the warning on both my fake US account and real Canadian account. Interestingly, both went to my SPAM folder while other Amazon emails are in my Inbox.

The most shocking tidbit is that the one I got on my Canadian account is NOT in my Messages on Amazon.ca or the app.

simchris

Still using both SF and Musicfab with Amazon, and zero issues. Using real verified account with all the upgrades for APrime.

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