DFab unable to overcome structural DVD copy protection ?

Dark$oul71

Hi there,

I have use DVDFab most of the time to backup / convert my BDs but now and then I also rip DVDs with it.

For nearly all DVDs I ripped DVDFab worked without hickup. Now friends have asked me to make them a backup of a DVD produced for them during a cruise they did last year. This is understandable since the DVD itself does not look THAT high quality and has some high emotional value for them.

The copy protection I run into seems to be similar to ARccOS Protection (corrupt parts on the DVD which are omitted during playback) but also included corrupt navigation information inside VOBs as well as a corrupt filesystem on the DVD (there seem to be 100GB of VOB files on the DVD :)).

DVDFab failed to open the original DVD claiming the media is corrupt. Almost all other commercial product (beside the one with the fox) also bomb out.

I was able to rip the content of the DVD to HD with dvdbackup (a Linux tool) but one ends up with 100GB of VOB file with identical content on HDD :)

dd_rescue came to the help and could simply rip the DVD to an ISO of reasonable size which I could burn. The resulting copy worked like a charm.

When I try to open the ISO generated by dd_rescue with DVDFab it still claims the media is corrupt.

Extracting the ISO with a tool of your choice (e.g. 7Zip) result in the mentioned 100GB of VOB files.

This is really a funny copy protection. I was close to "rip" the content to separate files with MPlayer and re-master them to a new DVD without protection.

Let me know if you need more infos to evaluate this issue. The ISO generated by dd_rescue has no corrupt sectors in it anymore since dd_rescue fills them up with zeros. So my educated guess is that DVDFab (and other tools as well) run into issues when either parsing corrupt VOB infos, the corrupt file system or both ?

I can not crosscheck with the product that has a fox as icon since I had it installed for evaluation a year back then. So re-installation is not possible.
Sources in the www indicate that the "Rip DVD to HDD" seem to work with the DVD mentioned above. :D

TIA,
D$

maineman

Geesh, you sure rolled up your sleeves on this one.
By any chance have you tried to open the dd_rescue .iso with Img...not within Fab, but directly with Img?...

You've probably tried these apps too and I haven't tried them in years, but...
ISOBuster may be helpful.

Another shot in the dark that may offer some success is the old, reliable dvd decrypter developed by LIGHTNING UK! or dvd shrink.
If no dice, then you might try running Fab Passkey simultaneously.
I know this is not recommended, but it's worked for me maybe 2-3 times in the last 10 or so years...lol

You might also try disabling all the copy protection tools...say in dvd decrypter and again, let Passkey run in the background.

Other "shots" might include using an older version of Fab...such as 4.1.2.0
(one of my favorites) and also tinkering in
Common Settings...tick ignore all reading errors automatically
(this may result in copying bad sectors, but may in fact result in a usable copy)

Also disable read-ahead cache.

That's about it for me re: this particular "stream of consciousness" moment...lol

Best of luck

Dark$oul71

Thanks for your reply ! DVDDecrypter was in fact my first try on this one. Unfortunately Lightning UK received a take-down notice for his tool when the first ARccOS DVD where released :(

So DVDDecrypter is somewhat more sensitive to newer corrupted DVDs. This was the case with my DVD as well. I also tested RipIt4Me which combines DVDDecrypter and FixVTS but this died during processing as well !

I did not post in the first place to get the DVD copied but to hear the replies from the DVDFab stuff since this really is the first DVD I came across which DVDFab could not copy.

As for PassKey I honestly have not tried....

Gummigutta

Why not post a log from a reading try with the latest version of DVDFab?

Dark$oul71

Mostly because the log IMO does not reveal anything:

This is my try opening the ISO generated from dd_rescue:

DVDFab 9.1.1.5 (2013/12/07  19:13:48)

 0m 00.34s: Start preload dll...
 0m 00.49s: Load dll successful.
 0m 00.49s: Start load fabplay dll...
 0m 00.70s: Load fabplay dll successful.
 0m 00.70s: Transfer settings successful.
 0m 00.70s: info: fabcheck logpath= C:\Users\hb\Documents\DVDFab\Log\
 0m 00.70s: fab_check_gpu is running ...
 0m 00.87s: fab_check_gpu run successful 
 0m 00.88s: info: recommand= 8248, Shrink support= 1, enable= 1, cuda_cap= 1 , cpu_count= 4
 0m 00.88s: GPUAccelerate: 12351
 0m 00.88s: GPUAccelerate setting: 8248, 8248
 0m 00.88s: CUDA cap: 1
 0m 00.88s: Support coreavc decode: 0
 0m 00.88s: Lighting shrink status: 1, 1
 0m 00.88s: Graphics info: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450    : 6.0 : 2.1
 0m 00.88s: Load config successful.
 0m 00.88s: Windows os type is: 13.
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: 21:8260762964
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: 22:8260762964
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: 1:0
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: 2:0
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: OV:9115
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: BV:9112
 0m 00.95s: Parse string is: S:54f94d4ba46953b7f18a9743c3e9b435
 0m 00.95s: Option check status: Local
 0m 00.95s: HD Decrypter-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: DVD to DVD (Gold)-0-0-200011
 0m 00.95s: DVD to DVD-0-0-200011
 0m 00.95s: DVD to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: Blu-ray to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: Blu-ray to Mobile-1-1-22311011
 0m 00.95s: File to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: Blu-ray to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: File to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: File to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: File Mover-1-0-215811
 0m 00.95s: Blu-ray to 3D-1-1-22311011
 0m 00.95s: 2D to 3D-1-0-215811
 0m 00.96s: Blu-ray Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 00.96s: DVD Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 00.96s: Start get sys number.
 0m 00.96s: connect 0 : start.
 0m 00.96s: Serial number is: 74-ea-3a-81-8e-7f:30-85-a9-8d-cc-9d
 0m 00.96s: Reg URL link is: 
 0m 00.96s: Version is: 9115
 0m 00.96s: Product is: 2
 0m 00.96s: Connect type is: 0
 0m 01.09s: Init GPU settings successful.
 0m 01.09s: CommmandLine: 
 0m 01.90s: Begin init preview play engine.
 0m 01.90s: Init DirectShow engine successful.
 0m 02.04s: Times of connecting error is: 0
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: 21:8260762964
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: 22:8260762964
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: 1:0
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: 2:0
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: OV:9115
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: BV:9112
 0m 02.04s: Parse string is: S:151a592339207547ce7311db4e5b9848
 0m 02.04s: Option check status: NewWork
 0m 02.04s: HD Decrypter-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: DVD to DVD (Gold)-0-0-200011
 0m 02.04s: DVD to DVD-0-0-200011
 0m 02.04s: DVD to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: Blu-ray to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: Blu-ray to Mobile-1-1-22311011
 0m 02.04s: File to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: Blu-ray to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: File to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: File to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: File Mover-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: Blu-ray to 3D-1-1-22311011
 0m 02.04s: 2D to 3D-1-0-215811
 0m 02.04s: Blu-ray Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 02.04s: DVD Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 02.23s: Burn engine: start init.
 0m 02.38s: Burn engine: type-0.
 0m 02.38s: Burn engine: 0- D:\ [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB06 (Scsi)].
 0m 02.38s: Burn engine: 1- H:\ [HL-DT-ST BD-RE BP40NS20 ML01 (Usb)].
 0m 02.38s: Burn engine: end init.
 0m 02.88s: Profile Manager :: End Load Profile 
 0m 02.90s: Init setting page successful.
 0m 03.18s: connect 0 : 1:1-10:1-11:1-12:1-13:1-14:1-15:1-
 0m 04.20s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 04.20s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 04.20s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 11.57s: opening drive D
 0m 11.59s: opened i/o
 0m 11.61s: opening drive F
 0m 11.61s: opened i/o
 0m 11.61s: opening drive H
 0m 11.63s: opened i/o
 0m 21.21s: opening iso C:\Temp\Ihr_Urlaub_auf_AIDA\UM_MASTER_STELLA_MIT_SHOW_DD_RESCUE.ISO
 0m 21.26s: got media type 4
 0m 21.27s: got max lba 2284671
 0m 21.27s: got disc type 10
 0m 21.27s: type DVD-VIDEO
 0m 21.27s: volume label UM_MASTER_STELLA_MIT_SHOW
 0m 21.29s: Open blu-ray disc expired time: 22311011
 0m 21.29s: internal path ^:/VIDEO_TS/
 0m 21.29s: got copyright 0 0
 0m 21.37s: got udf/iso
 0m 22.33s: got discinfo
 0m 22.73s: pathplayer enabled
 0m 22.89s: button: vts_1 menu_1 pgc_3 cell_1 sector_85 count_3
 0m 26.01s: failed to open 0

This is the log part for opening the DVD straight forward:


DVDFab 9.1.1.5 (2013/12/07  16:48:32)

 0m 00.15s: Start preload dll...
 0m 00.21s: Load dll successful.
 0m 00.21s: Start load fabplay dll...
 0m 00.31s: Load fabplay dll successful.
 0m 00.31s: Transfer settings successful.
 0m 00.31s: info: fabcheck logpath= C:\Users\hb\Documents\DVDFab\Log\
 0m 00.31s: fab_check_gpu is running ...
 0m 00.43s: fab_check_gpu run successful 
 0m 00.43s: info: recommand= 8248, Shrink support= 1, enable= 1, cuda_cap= 1 , cpu_count= 4
 0m 00.45s: GPUAccelerate: 12351
 0m 00.45s: GPUAccelerate setting: 8248, 8248
 0m 00.45s: CUDA cap: 1
 0m 00.45s: Support coreavc decode: 0
 0m 00.45s: Lighting shrink status: 1, 1
 0m 00.45s: Graphics info: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450    : 6.0 : 2.1
 0m 00.45s: Load config successful.
 0m 00.45s: Windows os type is: 13.
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: 21:8260762964
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: 22:8260762964
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: 1:0
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: 2:0
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: OV:9115
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: BV:9112
 0m 00.51s: Parse string is: S:6ba9350ea71b75c42dd7db51c18c9585
 0m 00.51s: Option check status: Local
 0m 00.51s: HD Decrypter-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: DVD to DVD (Gold)-0-0-200011
 0m 00.51s: DVD to DVD-0-0-200011
 0m 00.51s: DVD to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: Blu-ray to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: Blu-ray to Mobile-1-1-22311011
 0m 00.51s: File to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: Blu-ray to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: File to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: File to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: File Mover-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: Blu-ray to 3D-1-1-22311011
 0m 00.51s: 2D to 3D-1-0-215811
 0m 00.51s: Blu-ray Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 00.51s: DVD Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 00.51s: Start get sys number.
 0m 00.51s: connect 0 : start.
 0m 00.51s: Serial number is: 74-ea-3a-81-8e-7f:30-85-a9-8d-cc-9d
 0m 00.51s: Reg URL link is: 
 0m 00.51s: Version is: 9115
 0m 00.51s: Product is: 2
 0m 00.51s: Connect type is: 0
 0m 00.60s: Init GPU settings successful.
 0m 00.60s: CommmandLine: 
 0m 01.29s: Begin init preview play engine.
 0m 01.29s: Init DirectShow engine successful.
 0m 01.51s: Times of connecting error is: 0
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: 21:8260762964
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: 22:8260762964
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: 1:0
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: 2:0
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: OV:9115
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: BV:9112
 0m 01.51s: Parse string is: S:c32760b76bc3900a65cf94ec3fc066de
 0m 01.51s: Option check status: NewWork
 0m 01.51s: HD Decrypter-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: DVD to DVD (Gold)-0-0-200011
 0m 01.51s: DVD to DVD-0-0-200011
 0m 01.51s: DVD to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: Blu-ray to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: Blu-ray to Mobile-1-1-22311011
 0m 01.51s: File to Mobile-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: Blu-ray to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: File to DVD-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: File to Blu-ray-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: File Mover-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: Blu-ray to 3D-1-1-22311011
 0m 01.51s: 2D to 3D-1-0-215811
 0m 01.51s: Blu-ray Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 01.51s: DVD Decrypt-1-0-200011
 0m 01.56s: Burn engine: start init.
 0m 01.73s: Burn engine: type-0.
 0m 01.73s: Burn engine: 0- D:\ [TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182D SB06 (Scsi)].
 0m 01.73s: Burn engine: 1- H:\ [HL-DT-ST BD-RE BP40NS20 ML01 (Usb)].
 0m 01.73s: Burn engine: end init.
 0m 02.13s: Profile Manager :: End Load Profile 
 0m 02.21s: Init setting page successful.
 0m 02.76s: connect 0 : 1:1-10:1-11:1-12:1-13:1-14:1-15:1-
 0m 03.63s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 03.63s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 03.63s: Init driveX with I/O mode: 0
 0m 03.65s: opening drive F
 0m 03.65s: opened i/o
 0m 03.65s: got media type 4
 0m 03.68s: got max lba 2284671
 0m 03.68s: got disc type 10
 0m 03.68s: type DVD-VIDEO
 0m 03.69s: volume label UM_MASTER_STELLA_MIT_SHOW
 0m 03.72s: opening drive H
 0m 03.75s: opened i/o
 0m 03.76s: got media type 12
 0m 03.77s: got max lba 0
 0m 11.02s: opening drive D
 0m 11.03s: opened i/o
 0m 11.05s: opening drive F
 0m 11.05s: opened i/o
 0m 11.05s: got media type 4
 0m 11.10s: got max lba 2284671
 0m 11.10s: got disc type 10
 0m 11.10s: type DVD-VIDEO
 0m 11.10s: volume label UM_MASTER_STELLA_MIT_SHOW
 0m 11.11s: opening drive H
 0m 11.14s: opened i/o
 0m 11.15s: got media type 12
 0m 11.16s: got max lba 0
 0m 11.19s: Open blu-ray disc expired time: 22311011
 0m 11.19s: internal path F:/VIDEO_TS/
 0m 11.19s: got copyright 0 0
 0m 11.25s: got udf/iso
 0m 12.04s: got discinfo
 0m 12.73s: pathplayer enabled
 0m 12.94s: button: vts_1 menu_1 pgc_3 cell_1 sector_85 count_3
 0m 13.31s: user cancelled
 0m 13.37s: failed to open 1
 0m 18.79s: opening iso C:\um master stella mit show.ISO
 0m 18.79s: got media type 4
 0m 18.79s: got max lba 2284671
 0m 18.79s: got disc type 10
 0m 18.79s: type DVD-VIDEO
 0m 18.79s: volume label UM_MASTER_STELLA_MIT_SHOW
 0m 18.81s: Open blu-ray disc expired time: 22311011
 0m 18.81s: internal path ]:/VIDEO_TS/
 0m 18.81s: got copyright 0 0
 0m 18.81s: got udf/iso
 0m 18.91s: got discinfo
 0m 19.32s: pathplayer enabled
 0m 19.45s: button: vts_1 menu_1 pgc_3 cell_1 sector_85 count_3
 0m 19.87s: failed to open 0

They both say what I mentioned: "Failed to open" :D

This being said I will need to return the DVD to our friends but keep the ISO for further evaluation....

maineman

I figured that you had pretty much tried "everything"...:D

I'd still try dvd decrypter with all of its copy protection tools...both enabled and disabled...and run Passkey in the background...it'll operate the same as the red fox...as a Windoz driver in the background since the fox is no longer an option for you.

Do you have Fab v.4120?...it may do better handling the oddball authoring of the DVD.
Try the same here too...right out of the box and again, try disabling all the copy protection tools and run Passkey...which will be a utd decrypter.

If you need 4120, just drop me a pm with your email and I'll hook you up.
It'll come via gmail and since executable files will be rejected....I'll just change the file ext to nonsense...eg., .exx
Just change it to .exe so Windoz will recognize and run it.

90312

Have you tried "Clone"? I've used it to copy some weird stuff bit for bit to a like sized blank.

Dark$oul71

@maineman:
*ggg*...yes, I tried pretty much everything ! As in earlier times I consider this as a sport :)
...although I tough SD material only rarely anymore...

Thanks for the offer about the old version of Fab but I guess I stay with the new version since I played nicely for me.

@90312: Nope, the point is that I can not even add neither ISO nor DVD as source.

Just to make it clear: I could copy the DVD and produce a working backup. The question for is though why all other tools than dd_rescue failed ? :confused:

I suspect that the modified file table is the reason for this...I mean the kind of modification which also makes the DVD over 100GB big if you have a look that the properties in the the Windows explorer. dd_rescue works on block device level rather then trying interpreting / parsing the filestructure / logical VOB structure but in the end I am not an expert !

ゲゲゲの鬼太郎

Purhaps you should start with finding out what Cruise line they went on and if this was a service of the Cruise line or an independent video shop on board the ship. If it was an independent, you'll want to see if they remember the name or the name of the ship in particular and possibly the service.

The reason I say this is so you can first find out what information you can about the service, then google the service itself. The next step would be to google for any information on said DVD copy protection that they use.

One of the other online forums or sites might have this information. the key is in finding it.

If anything, this might just be a way of saving you some major headaches.

Dark$oul71

[QUOTE=ゲゲゲの鬼太郎;153680]...
If anything, this might just be a way of saving you some major headaches.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your posting ! Honestly I already had some major headaches :D

Main purpose of this thread was not that I could not rip the DVD but to point out a possibly new DVD protection and asking for some feedback of the DVDFab folks....

ゲゲゲの鬼太郎

The way I'm looking at it is if this is a form of protection unknown to DVDFab, then if you can locate any information on the protection used this would be a starting point for the DVDFab team to work with.

This would also mean fewer headaches for you the next time you encounter such should you ever get any more requests to duplicate "personal" videos containing this type of protection providing the DVDFab Team can overcome this type of protection.