ultra slow ripping

[kacos]

see post #80
I mention both rip times and max fps, which changes accordingly since read from BD drive is CLV so disc rotation speed is not constant. But taking into consideration the shrinking and H.264 en/de-coding process, overall time and file size has improved (previously it took 50+mins to rip a BD film ..).

[glenns]

In post #65 I did Black rock Blu ray it's a short movie 1hr and 23 mins. so total conversion time was 10:26 blu ray disk to hard drive as a iso

9:25 from iso on hard drive to mp4 FPS avg was 205.
FPS Means nothing in Fab as they go up and down total conversion time should be the only factor when comparing.

See Wilson's tests he tried 2 different machines same processor same movie and the FPS were way different.Also FPS started slow and slowly increased in some of my tests they can more than double from starting FPS as the more time that goes by the more the FPS went up and may go down a little towards the end.

[kacos]

.. sometimes they expand from 20 gigs to 130 gigs when you convert some of the newer disks. Sometimes Fab will pick the wrong title to convert because they put 80 titles on the disk with the same run time and one title is a second longer Fab will pick the longer wrong file and you won't know what file to convert unless you play it first on a player that tells you what title it's playing.

Sometimes that file it's playing is not in the list of 80 files on the disk.Very tricky their getting good at fooling copying programs.

haven't seen one that does that yet. And the few times I had trouble with ripping a BD, Passkey helped me solve the problem.

..So unless the movie is previewed or checked for proper chapter playing order,proper subtitles for forced subs etc. ripping and storing is not a good idea on the newer disks.Speed is one thing making a proper playing copy is another.

I always check the final mp4 - the time you save by ripping directly is at least 15 minutes per disc times the total discs you rip, plus you don't over-use your hard disc by filling and deleting 50Gb files.

Anyway, let's get back to the speed 'problem'. Apart from the one dvd rip that went skyhigh with the fps, most BDs average now around 20minutes and around 148fps and DVDs around 12-15mins and ~160fps. Way better than before, but nothing close to the speeds of 200+ you mentioned previously.

[glenns]

Do as you will but remember to check content before you store and forget as with some of the newer movies copy protections are tricky as i said sometimes they expand from 20 gigs to 130 gigs when you convert some of the newer disks.

Sometimes Fab will pick the wrong title to convert because they put 80 titles on the disk with the same run time and one title is a second longer Fab will pick the longer wrong file and you won't know what file to convert unless you play it first on a player that tells you what title it's playing.

Sometimes that file it's playing is not in the list of 80 files on the disk.Very tricky their getting good at fooling copying programs.So unless the movie is previewed or checked for proper chapter playing order,proper subtitles for forced subs etc. ripping and storing is not a good idea on the newer disks.Speed is one thing making a proper playing copy is another.

[kacos]

wow.. Catwoman dvd maxed 619fps !

[kacos]

..maybe you could try to converting from ISO file and see the result with IQS lightning-shrink.

Ok,

rip "Jack Ryan" BD to mp4 on a sata3-ssd -> max 148fps
copy film only (50BD) to sata2-hard-disc (not ssd) -> 30MB/s
time for each ~20 minutes
speed quoted is max speed (close to the end of the rip/copy)
and this is probably because the optical drive uses CLV to read the disc.

rip from disc to ssd -> 176fps
speed quoted is max speed
time ~14 minutes

which confirms what I said earlier: if it takes 20mins to copy BD to disc and then another 15mins to rip to mp4, wouldn't it be better to just maximise the speed of ripping directly from BD drive to Disc (which is now ~20mins) ??

Edit: Jack Ryan dvd direct rip to mp4 -> 220fps

[kacos]

Intel driver 3621 is supported in DVDFAB V9155.

Thanks Wilson

[Wilson.Wang]

Hi kacos

Intel driver 3621 is supported in DVDFAB V9155.

Wilson

[kacos]

..maybe you could try to converting from ISO file and see the result with IQS lightning-shrink.

I will give it a try when I get back and get back to you

Actually I can't ..
I had to install the latest intel & nvidia gpu drivers because with the older ones Win 8.1 kept crashing unexpectedly after a while (nothing to do with fab), which after 3 days searching for the reason, I pin-pointed it to the intel gpu drivers.

When fab supports either intel/nvidia latest drivers, I'd be happy to re-try.

[kacos]

Kacos:Are you settings for conversion speed the same as mine in the screen shot?

Yep

[glenns]

Karcos:Are you settings for conversion speed the same as mine in the screen shot?

Wilson:What about the other machine that you got faster FPS on is the total conversion time from the Thor disk the same as the slower FPS computer when the whole disk is converted?
Your test with the slower machine was about the same as my result only mine was about 3 mins. faster.Maybe its the windows version so testing the faster machine on the same Thor disk conversion with same mp4 settings to computer may give a clue.

[kacos]

How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?'
Please see this link for your processor up against a very fast top of the line cuda card in speed and video tests and see.
http://techreport.com/review/23324/a...ding-on-the-pc

two year old post with almost 3 year old hardware .. not really applicable

I suppose that the conversion speed is affected by other HardWare environment or system.

Wilson, in the tests I did there was nothing else running in the system (I have used autoruns to leave just the basic functions needed for the system to run reliably) and system drive is 256Gb sata3 and the rip drive is a 40Gb sata3 ssd. In normal use, I have 12 applications running in the background including Plex and XBMC and BOINC (running with 90% of processor and using all gpus unless required by some other app) and the system is running as if nothing is happening ..



So I am pretty sure that hardware is not causing the speed problem.

I think the fab programmers need to re-examine the way they use gpu's specifically newer gpus, multiple cards or multiple cards from different vendors as new PCs come with the new i? intel processors and many also inlclude either nvidia or at cards.

..maybe you could try to converting from ISO file and see the result with IQS lightning-shrink.

I will give it a try when I get back and get back to you

And for the CUDA crash issue, would you please try to take out your GT630 (not disable the device in system) and then converting again?

That could work but I also have to uninstall the current driver and revert to the previous again

[Wilson.Wang]

Finish at 00：33：11 when converting whole movie from disc.

FPS up slowly on my PC when converting.

Wilson

[glenns]

I also did a clone iso from disk to drive same movie Wilson used the MBPS started slow at 15 then climbed to 31 then back down to 22MBPS 28 mins 33 secs. time to make cloned iso to Hard drive.

The converting from hard drive same everything as Wilson Mine started faster at 225 FPS and climbed to 248+FPS then at the very end going down just a tad.Convert time is 11 mins. 18 secs. a little faster than Wilsons 14.40 mins. convert time.

All testing points to total conversion time the only way to surely say what's faster if all things were equal such as my and Wilsons testing with everything the same.Why mine was a little faster than his in this test and why the other machine started high FPS well that remains because more testing with the whole converted movie is the only real test from the results of my testing.

[glenns]

Wilson I am testing with same processor,driver,mp4 264 audio copy,and movie and find results like your second computer but the FPS goes up after time slowly started with my test like yours about 49 FPS but you stopped the test please convert the whole movie as in time my FPS went up to 107 plus at 80 percent done.

The faster computer may have started out fast and slowed down later your screen shot showed 44 percent done.Total time should be the test if FPS go's up and down so much in the total conversion process.Now at 90 percent done and FPS going down 90FPS and falling will post screen shot when done.This is rip from disk to hard drive.29 mins 54 secs. convert time.

I used the 3d disk but used title 800 like you that's the 2d version.
Also tested with internal blu ray drive and external 3.0 USB drive (same brand and model of drive same newest firmware on both drives) exact same results Fab started slow then speed up at the end slowed down again so total time for convert should be the best way of testing speed.