ultra slow ripping

[Wilson.Wang]

Testing i7-3770 (HD4000) on 2 different PCs but get different result.

PC1:

CPU: i7-3770 HD 4000 with driver 3496
OS: Windows 8.1 Professional x64
Disc: Blu-ray Thor US version
Profile: mp4.h264.audiocopy
Conversion speed: 110 FPS
Screenshot: PC1.JPG


PC2:

CPU: i7-3770 HD 4000 with driver 3496
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 X64
Disc: Blu-ray Thor US version
Profile: mp4.h264.audiocopy
Conversion speed: 45 FPS
Screenshot: PC2.JPG


But the conversion speed is almost same if converting from the ISO source on HDD. See"ISO.jpg"


I suppose that the conversion speed is affected by other HardWare environment or system.

@kacos, maybe you could try to converting from ISO file and see the result with IQS lightning-shrink.

And for the CUDA crash issue, would you please try to take out your GT630 (not disable the device in system) and then converting again?

Wilson

[glenns]

'My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know.

Glenns:Mr holmes we seem to have a problem here why does a faster processor with more memory not have higher FPS converting than a slower I7 processor with less memory?

Holmes:It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.'
Lets take amount of memory if the computer with 8 gigs doesn't use but 4 gigs then having a second computer with the same work load having 16 gigs but doesn't use but 4 gigs both computers will then have the same speed if processors and all else is the same so more memory in this case does nothing to increase computer speed.

Glenns:Then what about my I7 processor seems like the FPS is faster trans-coding than his faster I7 processor?

Holmes:Only If all the program's running in the computers background are the same including the security program and many other small programs that run in the background and both computers registry's be cleared of any mistakes by running programs such as cc cleaner to clean all the junk files and the registry's both being in cleaned condition prior to any testing can one processor be fairly put up against another.

Also the windows versions are different Glenn is using windows 7 home were as the other is using windows 8.1 professional+ so their are many things here that can effect processor power and conversion speed.This apply's to both the cuda cards and quick sync testing.Remember the newest quick sync driver that doesn't work with fab had 34 or so fixes for windows 8.1 also meaning the current driver is full of 8.1 bugs.

Glenns:And what of the cuda card crashing?

Holmes:'You know my method. It is founded upon the observation of trifles.In this case I believe the Fab developers have more work to do on this driver and also need to work on the current driver to keep up with the times.

Glenns:It seems Quick sync is faster than 2 cuda cards that have more computing power what gives here.

Holmes:How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?'
Please see this link for your processor up against a very fast top of the line cuda card in speed and video tests and see.

http://techreport.com/review/23324/a-look-at-hardware-video-transcoding-on-the-pc

Glenns:Thank you Mr holmes.
Holmes:'I cannot live without brain-work. What else is there to live for?'

[kacos]

...Should he not answer or find the reason I will defer this case to the worlds greatest detective.

lol

[glenns]

Quote:
Originally Posted by glenns View Post
I did A test for you did Black Rock blu ray disk from disk on same model blu ray drive as yours with newest firmware using quick sync from disk to hard drive like you were doing.

Black Rock is a 1h& 23 min blu ray using what you did MP4 audio copy and hi quality so now the bit rate is same as yours. FPS avg is 205 done in 9 mins. 25 seconds screen shot to prove it.#272 screen shot #274 done in 10 mins 26 seconds from disk to hard drive as a ISO really about the same time a min more to make the iso that's fast.
272fps is almost double I am getting, so this is even weirder ...

That's screen shot #272 not FPS the FPS were about 190- 205 avg.

I will give Wilson a chance to answer why your speed is much slower than mine with quick sync even though your processor is faster than mine and your memory much greater than my 8 gigs.Should he not answer or find the reason I will defer this case to the worlds greatest detective.

[kacos]

Need to clear the question, DVDFab could detect IQS and CUDA GPU that you can change GPU in Common Settings, but not use both GPU at same time when converting.

Aaa now we are getting somewhere.
That's not good though

I did A test for you did Black Rock blu ray disk from disk on same model blu ray drive as yours with newest firmware using quick sync from disk to hard drive like you were doing.

Black Rock is a 1h& 23 min blu ray using what you did MP4 audio copy and hi quality so now the bit rate is same as yours. FPS avg is 205 done in 9 mins. 25 seconds screen shot to prove it.#272 screen shot #274 done in 10 mins 26 seconds from disk to hard drive as a ISO really about the same time a min more to make the iso that's fast.

272fps is almost double I am getting, so this is even weirder ...

Now your processor is faster than mine so you should be faster than that though I use the highest speed memory 1700 for my I7.

i7 is faster, memory is more and @2133 and I rip to an ssd .. so why do I get slower speeds?

..It's a old made for PBS movie no sci fi collection should be without.Is your data base searchable and why 2-3 of the same movie?

I'll check it out - thanks
I have a few doubles (some are Laserdiscs) and some are combo boxes with BD&DVD. And these are only a part of the collection.

[glenns]

I did A test for you did Black Rock blu ray disk from disk on same model blu ray drive as yours with newest firmware using quick sync from disk to hard drive like you were doing.

Black Rock is a 1h& 23 min blu ray using what you did MP4 audio copy and hi quality so now the bit rate is same as yours. FPS avg is 205 done in 9 mins. 25 seconds screen shot to prove it.#272 screen shot #274 done in 10 mins 26 seconds from disk to hard drive as a ISO really about the same time a min more to make the iso that's fast.

Now your processor is faster than mine so you should be faster than that though I use the highest speed memory 1700 for my I7.

Nice collection but you don't have the best sci fi movie of all time in your collection not for special effects for story line it's called the lathe of heaven now a collectors item http://www.amazon.com/The-Lathe-Heav...athe+of+heaven.

It's a old made for PBS movie no sci fi collection should be without.Is your data base searchable and why 2-3 of the same movie?

[Wilson.Wang]

Quote:
Any way to combine the intel and cuda gpus to get even better results? If you could do that, it would be super :-D
You have a good PC, to use IQS and CUDA together, just connect the HD 4600 and GT750 to same monitor.

Need to clear the question, DVDFab could detect IQS and CUDA GPU that you can change GPU in Common Settings, but not use both GPU at same time when converting.

And why did fab crash just with cuda on??

Our developer is checking the issue.

Wilson

[kacos]

Yes, I'm using an ISO file that already saved on the HDD of PC.

@kacos, if you try the ISO file, the conversion speed of IQS shrink should be also around 200 fps.

The conversion speed is affected by the read speed of driver.

And seems like CUDA with GT750 works for you after back to driver 335.23?

Wilson

How do you figure that, since the fps are the same as when I tried the intel 'card' only?
Can you please try a similar config as mine and post your results?

And why did fab crash just with cuda on??

[kacos]

Lol, have a look here to get an idea

As for wear & tear on the drive, I had 3 drives split over 1500 discs. If 500 reads wears/tears a drive that much, then we are... F..d ;-)

[glenns]

I meant wear and tear on the blu ray drive not the disks and do you check all your disks to see if they play as the newer copy protections are tricky as i said sometimes they expand from 20 gigs to 130 gigs when you convert some of the newer disks.

Sometimes Fab will pick the wrong title to convert because they put 80 titles on the disk with the same run time and one with a second longer Fab will pick the longer wrong file and you won't know what file to convert unless you play it first on a player that tells you what title it's playing. Sometimes that file it's playing is not in the list of 80 files on the disk.Very tricky their getting good at fooling copying programs.

I don't know anyone that converts disks full time for months why didn't you buy a power computer to start their's 12 core machines i seen logs of here on Fab.Is this your collection of every movie made or what? maybe some kind of end of times collection but we will have movies.

[Wilson.Wang]

Yes, I'm using an ISO file that already saved on the HDD of PC.

@kacos, if you try the ISO file, the conversion speed of IQS shrink should be also around 200 fps.

The conversion speed is affected by the read speed of driver.

And seems like CUDA with GT750 works for you after back to driver 335.23?

Wilson

[kacos]

I believe your limited by the speed of the drive much slower converting from the disk drive and more were and tear on the drive that's what i was always taught.

Should things have changed then please enlighten me and also clue me in to how you are able to get around the expanding files copy protection by converting from disk? I love to learn new things so feel free to teach I am all ear's.

Valid point!

ok, now you hit a point i am not sure about: speed of the drive.

I bought both BD drives a few months ago, and I'm pretty sure they weren't any faster on the market. Your question remains to be answered if and when I am sure cuda support is up to par with intel. For one thing, wear/tear as you mention, specific to the discs is irrelevant, as most of the discs (if not all) I have, have been used once or maybe twice,and are in mint condition.

But to through the question back to you, compare the time it takes to copy the movie in whatever file version to your disc, and then rip it, to just rip it directly from the BD drive ...

[glenns]

I believe your limited by the speed of the drive much slower converting from the disk drive and more wear and tear on the drive that's what i was always taught.

Should things have changed then please enlighten me and also clue me in to how you are able to get around the expanding files copy protection and when Fab picks the wrong title by converting from disk? I love to learn new things so feel free to teach I am all ear's.

[kacos]

Kacos: You seem to me like your converting from disk how about trying converting from hard drive to see FPS lets compare apples to apples.

my friend, what's the point of first copying a BD to disk and then ripping it if it will take double time to do this?

The whole point of "acceleration" is to do it from BD drive to file in as less time as possible. Imagine if you had to rip a large library of disks (say 5000) .. it would take you a year to do it this way ;-)

I am willing to try in order to help fix something, but trust me, I already spent 2,5 months almost full time ripping disks .. I'm tired, really.

[glenns]

Wilson in your tests you say this:
In our testing, the conversion speed is 180~250 fps in ripper when converting with CUDA lightning-shrink. (ISO file in HDD).

Do you mean this is converting a iso already on the hard drive correct?

You are using a I-5 2400K@3.10GHZ processor he is using a i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz plus you each have the GTX750TI 60 50 but he also has a GT630 6.0 50 Shouldn't he bypass the 180-250fps in ripper with lightning shrink when converting iso on hard drive?

Karcos: You seem to me like your converting from disk how about trying converting from hard drive to see FPS lets compare apples to apples.