Hi guys, Is it possible to create a movie-only 3D BDMV folder? I want to stream these from my media server to my blu-ray player which supports BDMV (including 3D BDMV) but not ISO and I was wondering if it's possible to create a movie only 3D BDMV folder and if it is possible what method I need to follow to create a movie-only 3D BDMV, do I have to: 1) Just rip the disc to movie-only BDMV folder with the 3D box checked? 2) Do I have to rip the complete disc to a BDMV folder and then do #1. 3) Do I have to clone the disc and then do #1? Your help would be appreciated.

Yes you can rip a 3d movie to a folder.You can do full disk or main movie.Just make sure the 3d check box is checked.Do it right from the store brought disk no need to clone in this case.This is a straight 1-1 rip full 1080p resolution no compression.If you were going to compress the movie then you make a clone to hard drive first (it's a iso) and when your compressing it the output is a file or you can have it output a iso also if that's what you wanted.Fab is very flexible.

[QUOTE=glenns;134137]Yes you can rip a 3d movie to a folder.You can do full disk or main movie.Just make sure the 3d check box is checked.Do it right from the store brought disk no need to clone in this case.This is a straight 1-1 rip full 1080p resolution no compression. If you were going to compress the movie then you make a clone to hard drive first (it's a iso) and when your compressing it the output is a file or you can have it output a iso also if that's what you wanted.Fab is very flexible.[/QUOTE] Thanks, I'll give it a shot. I also have two more questions if anyone can help as follows: 1) When ripping to a 3D movie to a BDMV folder will the folder be twice the size of the disc? 2) What does convert to blu-ray SBS 3D do? - i.e. what file format does it convert to?

The folder is the same size as the disk if we are talking a 1-1 copy no compression full disk.If you do just main movie then what ever size the main movie is minus the trailers and extras on the disk.Now you can also compress it down to fit a 25gig disk or file it will compresses down to 22gigs or so for the whole disk or less for the main movie.under main movie you can compress these down to regular dvd sizes 4.7 or 8.5 gigs.If your going to make a movie data base and store these disks as you will fill up a hard drive fast with 50 gig disks.Side by side is a m2ts data format 1080i in one eye and reduced resolution in the other and can be made much smaller (your 3d tv must be able to do side by side most do) Same 3d effects but more compressed.They are still high resolution and can be put on regular 1 and 2 layer regular dvds or files that size that play on most dvd players that can play m2ts files.These aren't blu-rays but can be put on blu-ray disks.I use these on a media player and hard drive.Using 2 layer 8.5 disks or files this size.These Files looks great even on a big screen tv or projection system and you can keep the hd sound as well.one last thing the best pictures will always come from your computer or media player to your tv by hdmi streaming is a mixed bag and depends on a lot of factors all working together i avoid this as unless all is per fit you may get audio dropouts or bad picture,no picture so keep this in mind.So if your building a data base of movies to stream you want to find one of these ways to reduce file size so you can get more disks or files on your hard drive.Most of us buy a 3d Media player that also streams and has a mini internet browser that you can use on the road or for a home backup system for about $140 and a 2-3t hard drive.My 3t hard drive cost $170 You can take the whole set up with you where ever you go their small no more disk buying,disk burning,lost disks,unreturned disks from friends.

[QUOTE=glenns;134157]The folder is the same size as the disk if we are talking a 1-1 copy no compression full disk.If you do just main movie then what ever size the main movie is minus the trailers and extras on the disk.Now you can also compress it down to fit a 25gig disk or file it will compresses down to 22gigs or so for the whole disk or less for the main movie.under main movie you can compress these down to regular dvd sizes 4.7 or 8.5 gigs.If your going to make a movie data base and store these disks as you will fill up a hard drive fast with 50 gig disks. Side by side is a m2ts data format 1080i in one eye and reduced resolution in the other and can be made much smaller (your 3d tv must be able to do side by side most do) Same 3d effects but more compressed.They are still high resolution and can be put on regular 1 and 2 layer regular dvds or files that size that play on most dvd players that can play m2ts files. These aren't blu-rays but can be put on blu-ray disks.I use these on a media player and hard drive.Using 2 layer 8.5 disks or files this size.These Files looks great even on a big screen tv or projection system and you can keep the hd sound as well.one last thing the best pictures will always come from your computer or media player to your tv by hdmi streaming is a mixed bag and depends on a lot of factors all working together i avoid this as unless all is per fit you may get audio dropouts or bad picture,no picture so keep this in mind. So if your building a data base of movies to stream you want to find one of these ways to reduce file size so you can get more disks or files on your hard drive.Most of us buy a 3d Media player that also streams and has a mini internet browser that you can use on the road or for a home backup system for about $140 and a 2-3t hard drive.My 3t hard drive cost $170 You can take the whole set up with you where ever you go their small no more disk buying,disk burning,lost disks,unreturned disks from friends.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the feedback. Would the 3D blu-ray SBS option generate better results than 3D MKV under the blu-ray ripper set to the highest quality setting?

One thing I noticed with the blu-ray SBS is that the subtitles do not show up properly if you turn them on - half are on one side and half on the other. Is there anyway to fix this? Also, I tried to generate a movie only BDMV folder and it doesn't seem to load at all on either my PC or my media player - is there anything special you have to do?

To play 3d movie on software players download Fab Virtual drive from the front page its a free program that you use to play 3d movies with softwear players like Power dvd.You load the movie into virtual drive then you can play it in Some software players on the computer..If you use the highest settings on MKV you end up with a giant file.Both formats are just containers but mkv lets you use other 3d party free software to do things to the file.I don't know about subtitles others here may answer the question if there's a fix for side by side subtitles showing up wrong.After you have virtual drive load the 3d movie in it (Virtual drive will act as a separate drive and show up as a different drive on your computer.example drive f hd drive you can have more than 1 also) you can try virtual drive as the source for your media player (I don't know if this will work for the media player) You must use it with a software player to play back as the virtual drive simulates a full 3d player.When using make sure your player plays the drive virtual drive makes (example drive f hd drive) A 3d file must have a miniso to play with a software drive on the computer so make one with the virtual driveif fab didn't already make one with the fab file.Look at the movies files and see if theirs a miniso file if none make one with virtual drive.Also a media drive plays files from a hard drive attached to it and that's the drive you target when ripping although some can stream from your computers drive i am not sure if they can also play directly from your computers drive so read the media players directions on this as mine is set to play direct from a attached external 3t hard drive by UBS and HDMI wires to the tv.

[QUOTE=glenns;134187]To play 3d movie on software players download Fab Virtual drive from the front page its a free program that you use to play 3d movies with softwear players like Power dvd.You load the movie into virtual drive then you can play it in Some software players on the computer.. If you use the highest settings on MKV you end up with a giant file.Both formats are just containers but mkv lets you use other 3d party free software to do things to the file.I don't know about subtitles others here may answer the question if there's a fix for side by side subtitles showing up wrong. After you have virtual drive load the 3d movie in it (Virtual drive will act as a separate drive and show up as a different drive on your computer.example drive f hd drive you can have more than 1 also) use the virtual drive as the source for your media player or software player to play back as the virtual drive simulates a full 3d player.When using make sure your player plays the drive virtual drive makes (example drive f hd drive) A 3d file must have a miniso to play with a software drive on the computer so make one with the virtual drive if fab didn't already make one with the fab file.Look at the movies files and see if theirs a miniso file if none make one with virtual drive.[/QUOTE] So I can't play the BDMV folder on my player? My player (Oppo BDP-103) doesn't support ISO but does support BDMV.

I don't know much about streaming from a server to a blu-ray player maybe some else can help you with that.

[QUOTE=glenns;134190]I don't know much about streaming from a server to a blu-ray player maybe some else can help you with that.[/QUOTE] I suppose what I am asking is whether you must mount the mini ISO to play the folder and get 3D video on a media player. If so, then this won't work for me. If it helps I have used other software to rip the whole 3D disc to a BDMV folder and I can play it back on my blu-ray player. However the program I used creates a BDMV folder that is twice the size of the disc. So I would like to rip the movie only to a BDMV folder but if mounting the mini ISO is required to work then unfortunately it will not work for me.

I think your asking two different questions when a software player like power dvd is used to play a 3d file on your computer virtual drive is used with a mini iso that fab normally makes when making a 3d file.You can add a miniso with virtual drive to a 3d movie to work with a software player to play on your computer.This process is to play on your computer i don't think any media player would know what A fab made miniso is or what to do with it. With my media player it can play raw fab made folders or isos without minisos or anything else.It also plays any compressed file in any form.My media player is attached to computer by ubs as is the external hard drive it uses then hdmi to the tv or projector. Your not clear on why you are making a very big file with other software why don't you use the Fab software to make the blu ray file? Do you have a media player or are you calling your blu ray player a media player? You have a top of the line bluray player even up converts to 4k you need to make blu rays with fab if you can afford that bluray player then buy some blanks Digistor 25 gigs are about a buck each and $4.50 for the 50 gig disks look them up on the internet.Or by a real media player for about $140 and use fab like the rest of us.

3D BD to movie only BDMV possible?

EVT

[QUOTE=glenns;134379]EVT: To answer your question YES i have uncompressed blu ray 3d titles direct from disk through fab directly to my 3t drive. I put another one on today called Cirque-du-soleil-3d I used full disk and unchecked make miniso file just to show you 2 things ist that my media player played the 3d movie from a folder in full 3d uncompressed without miniso.I hit the subtitle button just for you their were 25 different subtitle choices to pick from so this movie was meant for world wide viewing.I also can stream the 3d movie on my computer from a folder with power dvd 10 without miniso.You need the miniso to play a iso on your computer.

Then i went to my manual just for you under intelligent settings they have
TS seamless playback on/off- When on the group files in the same directory will be played back seamlessly note- it's only valid for ts/ps file not for avi,mkv files.
off- plays files 1 by 1 with 2 second intervals between files.

BDMV navigation-direct play- plays main movie immediately
BD LITE-use bd-lite menue system
BD1.0 use bd profile 1.0 menue system
(Set for ask the user you choice the menue or start right away.)
So the bluray menues on the disk only play if they are 1.0 menues or regular dvd menues.The light menues use a time code and bar to jump ahead or back or by chapters without pictures.
bdmv default subtitle-sets the default subtitle language track for playing BDMV
subtitle automation recognitio-auto recognizes subtitle encoding type such as UTFT,BIG5,GB2312,etc.
subtitle font directory-sets the font path for external subtitles
subtitle space-sets the pace between subtitles when using dual-subtitle feature.

Thanks glenns, I will try to create another BDMV folder to see if I can get it to work on TMT5 or PowerDVD 11 that way I will be able to rule out a problem with what I'm creating with DVDFab.

As far as subtitles, what i was suggesting is the player you have which is bd lite and does not support full menus is unable to read the blu-ray structure and turn on forced subtitles on its own the way a media player (or PowerDVD on your PC) that supports menus can - it's not about getting the fancy menus it's about reading the folder structure and knowing when to turn on forced subs. This issue is well documented and applicable to all current media players with bd-lite instead of full menu support to avoid the blu-ray license and cinavia which goes along with it - not a single one of them gets it right. Don't take my word for it you can check the several threads devoted to this topic on AVSforum or reviews of some of the most popular recent 3D bd-lite players from Dune, PCH and mede8r on meadiasmartserver.net

Also, yes, bd-lite players are theoretically supposed to handle seamless branching but generally they do not do it very well - though you don't get gaps that last very long changes transitions from file-to-file frequently include frame drops and brief dropouts in audio.

Basically, my point is that since cinavia has come along I think for anyone that isn't too invested in BDMV/ISO, MKV is a far safer route for compatability.

In any case, thanks again for verifying that uncompressed BDMV folders will playback natively in 3D.

glenns

Like i said before i have no use for subtitles to me they distract you from watching the picture.I believe you should watch a movie the way a director envisioned it.

You sit back and relax and see all of what the camera filmed not stop and read some crap missing whats going on in the picture.I would much rather see a dubbed picture than read translations.

Some projection systems cut them off the screen anyway if their in the black bars.Like i said to each his own.A brief translation like in avatar well that's different and ok if brief.

CBR929

Hi glenns
I have removed your link as I think it will fall under forum rules
I have not found anything on their site yet too where as you buy the disc only renting.
CBR929

EVT

[QUOTE=glenns;134384]Like i said before i have no use for subtitles to me they distract you from watching the picture.I believe you should watch a movie the way a director envisioned it.

You sit back and relax and see all of what the camera filmed not stop and read some crap missing whats going on in the picture.I would much rather see a dubbed picture than read translations.

Some projection systems cut them off the screen anyway if their in the black bars.Like i said to each his own.A brief translation like in avatar well that's different and ok if brief.[/QUOTE]

I think your misunderstanding what I'm referring to. Forced subtitles are intended by the director to be seen. In some cases they come burned into the video but in other cases where a blu-ray or dvd is intended to be sold in multiple regions with different languages reliance is placed on forced player generated subtitles.

So for example - the Godfather, possibly the best film ever made includes certain parts in Italian (Sicilian dialect to be precise). The intent of Francis Ford Copolla (the director) was for the viewer to understand what was being said so the film contains english subtitles for these parts. When you playback an original blu-ray disc in a blu-ray player there is no requirement for you to turn these subtitles on the disc information tells the player when specifically to turn these subtitles on.

So to sum it up, if your media player doesn't have support for forced subtitles your are missing important parts of the movie - to me (and really to anyone who cares about the movies) that is an unacceptable compromise. That's why I suggest you look into MKV. In your case in particular, since you seem willing to compress the quality of your movies DVDFab has the option to burn in just forced subtitles directly into the video and seamless branching isn't an issue with MKV (other than the odd disc having an error during the encoding process).

GregiBoy

EVT, you have it totally right about subs....

I use MKV all the time but I go a few steps further. I extract the forced sub to either SUB/IDX or PGS and then remux them into the MKV container using MKVMerge.

I then use the MKV Toolnix header editor to mark them as forced and my media players obey this instruction when playing the resultant MKV.

I do a lot of other stuff like artwork, NFO files, multiple audio tracks and multiple subs muxed in the file which is not possible with Fab.

glenns

Evt:I have not run into movies with subtitles in my 3d collection like the Godfather you talked about. i like to ask how many movies have subtitles like the Godfather in all the movies you own?

Same question for anyone else.What are we talking about 5-6 made in the USA movies? Solution is simple to me just burn disks for the few movies that don't work in your media player or leave them on your computer drive to be used with a software player.

About compressing the video
i am a fussy video guy if the Fab compressed video looked bad compressed i wouldn't do it but in my humble option they look good enough to me even on my 60 inch plasma and my 8 foot projection screen.If your not compressing your blu rays at 30-40 gigs each even a 4t hard drive will fill up in no time so your going to need to spend a lot on hard drives to keep them uncompressed.

You always have the store brought disk at full resolution should you not be happy with the compressed disk or if you have the title problem you still have your master disk so it should really be a non problem in my humble option but as always to each his own.

CBR929:About deleting my link here is my email and the response from the 3d rental company.The link posted was to provide a up to date list of most 3d movies you can buy.It was only posted because the guy i was talking to didn't know their were that many 3d disks on the market i wanted to let people know so many are on the market now and Fab was able to make back up copy's of all of them.I don't know of any 3d clubs or regular rental clubs that don't sell used disks and new disks.This also includes blockbuster stores as well.Feel free to email them yourself.

3D Bluray Rental

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Trade-in your 3D movies - email us!

www.3d-blurayrental.com

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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:53 PM
To: 3d rentals
Subject: Buying movies

Are any of your movies for sale used or new?

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We can sell them on a one on one basis. Which ones are your looking for?

We thank you for your business.

glenns

EVT:I did find one movie in 3d that had subtitles (Avatar) I think like your talking about when the creatures talk in their native tongue translations come up in English without me hitting the subtitle button.Unless these are printed on the film itself.

I tried to make a side by side mkv just chapter 10-11 with forced sub titles only and its a no go maybe because fab can't display those titles in a side by side picture.I also tried with regular subtitles with the same results.

When the same movie was compressed to 25 gig full 3d the sub titles are their and they played on my media player without hitting the subtitle button for the native tongue translations.So the answer is easy for me with the very few disks that have these type translations at least in 3d just compress to 25 full 3d problem solved.

EVT

[QUOTE=GregiBoy;134437]EVT, you have it totally right about subs....

I use MKV all the time but I go a few steps further. I extract the forced sub to either SUB/IDX or PGS and then remux them into the MKV container using MKVMerge.

I then use the MKV Toolnix header editor to mark them as forced and my media players obey this instruction when playing the resultant MKV.

I do a lot of other stuff like artwork, NFO files, multiple audio tracks and multiple subs muxed in the file which is not possible with Fab.[/QUOTE]

GregiBoy,

I'm not too familiar with all the MKV options as for the past two years I've generally only ripped to movie-only blu-ray ISOs which my Dune media players support flawlessly (seamless branching and forced subs included) except for 3D blu-ray's that is. However, I would think if your goal is to just keep the PGS subtitles that there must be software that does that after which you can use the header editor as you already pointed out to mark the subtitles as forced.

By the way, what are you using for a media player? I ask as there are still many media players that can't recognize the forced subtitle flag so it's nice to have a list of working players.

EVT

[QUOTE=glenns;134447]Evt:I have not run into movies with subtitles in my 3d collection like the Godfather you talked about. i like to ask how many movies have subtitles like the Godfather in all the movies you own?

Same question for anyone else.What are we talking about 5-6 made in the USA movies? Solution is simple to me just burn disks for the few movies that don't work in your media player or leave them on your computer drive to be used with a software player.

About compressing the video
i am a fussy video guy if the Fab compressed video looked bad compressed i wouldn't do it but in my humble option they look good enough to me even on my 60 inch plasma and my 8 foot projection screen.If your not compressing your blu rays at 30-40 gigs each even a 4t hard drive will fill up in no time so your going to need to spend a lot on hard drives to keep them uncompressed.

You always have the store brought disk at full resolution should you not be happy with the compressed disk or if you have the title problem you still have your master disk so it should really be a non problem in my humble option but as always to each his own.

Hey glenns,

In my collection, I would estimate that 1 in 4 movies either has forced subtitles or seamless branching which is why I suggest that in general anyone who doesn't have one of the few players (e.g. Dune and PCH really) that support blu-ray menus, that MKV is a better bet and the price of a media player that plays MKVs but not blu-ray menus is significantly cheaper too.

Regarding whether to compress or not, it's a personal decision. For me, the way I see it I generally buy 2 TB drives for my server for about $100 and my movie-only ISOs average about 25 GB in size so the cost per movie in terms of storage works out to at most $1.50 - to me that's worth it but again everyone will have a different opinion on what's worth it.

EVT

[QUOTE=glenns;134452]EVT:I did find one movie in 3d that had subtitles (Avatar) I think like your talking about when the creatures talk in their native tongue translations come up in English without me hitting the subtitle button.Unless these are printed on the film itself.

I tried to make a side by side mkv just chapter 10-11 with forced sub titles only and its a no go maybe because fab can't display those titles in a side by side picture.I also tried with regular subtitles with the same results.

When the same movie was compressed to 25 gig full 3d the sub titles are their and they played on my media player without hitting the subtitle button for the native tongue translations.So the answer is easy for me with the very few disks that have these type translations at least in 3d just compress to 25 full 3d problem solved.[/QUOTE]

Glenns,

Your observations are a bit perplexing. Fab can in fact display the forced subtitles in an MKV if you burn them into the video - I have successfully created several that do this. If you try do the same thing without burning them into the video then it will not work when you go from 2D to 3D which is what i suspect is happening to you.

Now, regarding your compressed 25gb example, is that a BDMV or ISO you are talking about? If so, what you are suggesting doesn't seem possible as when you compress to a BDMV or ISO using DVDFab my understanding is it does not burn the subtitles into the video and if your media player can't read the blu-ray menu structure there's nothing to tell the media player to turn on the subtitles.

90312

glenns and EVT, I have removed references to that web site once again, don't post it again! Final warning!

EVT

[QUOTE=90312;134466]glenns and EVT, I have removed references to that web site once again, don't post it again! Final warning![/QUOTE]

Excuse me! I didn't post any references to any websites violating anything so I would appreciate not being lumped in with anyone else - and in particular as a paying customer of this product I would appreciate it if you leave the rude warnings behind - especially when you incorrectly accuse someone.

90312

EVT, you quoted the reference into your post I had to edit it. Don't do it again.

glenns

I think your talking about putting subtitles in non 3d movies and may be different than 3d movies.When i tried to make a mkv with side by side 3d i used the profile (mkv audio pass through 3d) in 3d ripper and just tried chapter 10-11 of Avatar where their is native tongue being used where the sub titles come up when they speak it.

In the full 3d Fab reduced to 25 gig ISO all the subtitles for the movie are present just like the store brought disk if you hit the subtitle button you can here the audio in i think 4 different languages on my media player the full moving menu is also their to select chapters etc.Also the what i believe are forced titles are their and come up by themselves without pressing the subtitle button when they talk in native tongue.

Now how do we know if these are forced subtitles remaining on the compressed disk or are these subtitles for this movie printed on the movie itself? US version region1 disk.This plays fine on my media player that only can play 1.0 menues of blu ray disks.

Side by side 3d i don't think can work with any sub titles at all forced or otherwise as the picture is split in two and recombined by the tv so if you know how do do this what steps do you take to make a side by side with any kind of subtitles forced or not?

I tried it with Avatar with 9.0.2.6 fab version and checked the forced subtitle box and it wouldn't do it with profile mkv audio pass through 3d so what did i do wrong did i use the wrong profile? or were you not using a 3d profile when you made yours?

Branched only means your media player can't read the blu-rays menu correct? Now the most important question becomes in my mind how many of all your disks have the forced subtitle problem and how do you tell if Avatar has this or it's printed on the film print so you would always see these subtitles?

CBR929

Hi glenns
I'm not going to e-mail them.
Our decision on this is final.
As 90312 said do not post it again.
CBR929

EVT

[QUOTE=90312;134472]EVT, you quoted the reference into your post I had to edit it. Don't do it again.[/QUOTE]

Do you understand the purpose of quoting? It is to provide context to a response. the particular user had a very long post only part of which I intended to and in fact responded to - none of which was anything to do with material posted on any website. If you bother to read the information in my post all of it is concerning technical information - what can and can't be done with the DVDFab and the media players currently available.

If you think users here are responsible for vetting what other users post I think you may be asking too much. In any case, I still don't appreciate your rude tone.

If your forum's rules are that when someone responds to a user they have to make sure that everything that user posted is kosher before quoting - then just get rid of the quoting feature and be done with it - that way the individual who posted the information is responsible for it.

Nevertheless, my point to you stands - treat this product's paying customers with respect before throwing around false accusations and have the decency to admit when you have made an error instead of posting a follow up message with "Don't do it again".

If you represent this product and I had not already purchased it your follow up statement of "Don't do it again" instead of an apology for your error would have been enough for me to put my money elsewhere. Keep that in mind as I assume the makers of this product are looking to keep making sales. Oh and part of being an adult is admitting when you have made an error.

CBR929

Hi EVT
I understand that it was not your fault since you quoted the post.
Can we please move on from this? ;):):D
Thanks
CBR929

glenns

90312:I read the quoted rule in message #20 as quoted by the CB929Who deleted the first link i have no where in any of my posts ask anyone to rent disks and copy them.I enclosed the link to show the person i was talking too their are many 3d movies available for fab to make legal back ups from.

This company as all that i know of that rent disks also sell them often cheaper than in stores and although cb929 didn't know this from looking at the link i enclosed a email from the company stating they do sell them with a email address so he can check it out himself.I have done nothing wrong as quoted in message #20.And backed up my statement with facts and enclosed email addresses to check on this.

I find your conduct as a moderator unbecoming and downright nasty to paying members who are not guilty of anything.:mad:

90312

The way I moderate the forum is not open to debate - thread closed.

CBR929

Hi glenns
There are many resources on the net for members to research for buying 3D movies cheap, Amazon, eBay etc...
I for one do not want to see this forum shut down due to Copyright Infringement Laws, because if that happens there will be no forum for members to get help with DVD Fab.
Lets move past this and have a good weekend.
Thanks
CBR929

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