BD50 Copy of "Three Kings" doesn't play

[Rsnims2]

Just backed up "Three Kings" without any errors using imgburn as burn engine. Played in 2 different players (Vizio and Samsung). The disc loads and appears to be "playing" a title, but there is no video and it ultimately stops and the player displays "TOP". Original BD plays fine. I attached the log files to this post. I have noticed this type of problem with a couple of other titles, but with earlier versions of DVDFab (Knight and Day and Sorcerer's Apprentice). Those titles "hung" on something before they even got to the disc menu. I have always backed up discs in full disc mode using the appropriate size blanks to accomodate them. I know a lot of forum members just back up the main movie or compress to use BD25 media, but I guess I'm fussy. Why bother to back up a Blu-ray if it won't play like one when you're done? Has anyone encountered this problem and, better yet, figured out how to prevail? Thanks.

[DiabloZoe]

Just backed up "Three Kings" without any errors using imgburn as burn engine. Played in 2 different players (Vizio and Samsung). The disc loads and appears to be "playing" a title, but there is no video and it ultimately stops and the player displays "TOP". Original BD plays fine. I attached the log files to this post. I have noticed this type of problem with a couple of other titles, but with earlier versions of DVDFab (Knight and Day and Sorcerer's Apprentice). Those titles "hung" on something before they even got to the disc menu. I have always backed up discs in full disc mode using the appropriate size blanks to accomodate them. I know a lot of forum members just back up the main movie or compress to use BD25 media, but I guess I'm fussy. Why bother to back up a Blu-ray if it won't play like one when you're done? Has anyone encountered this problem and, better yet, figured out how to prevail? Thanks.

The mods are real good at answering questions but it looks like you log is short!! Here is one from one of the burns I just did

0m 00.65s: option dvd2dvd 1 dvd2mobile 1 bluray2bluray 1 bd2mobile 1 bd23d 1 bd2dvd 1 file2mobile 1 filemover 1
0m 20.45s: detected blu-ray
0m 20.45s: drive M
0m 20.45s: blu-ray type 1
0m 20.45s: volume label THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK
0m 21.24s: root 8CD5F71AA9D5B565_VOLUME_SET_ID:THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK: THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK:THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK
0m 22.01s: aacs 1 bd+ 0
0m 22.82s: got discinfo
0m 22.90s: got bdmv
0m 22.91s: got agid 0
0m 22.93s: sent host cert chal
0m 22.93s: got drive cert chal
0m 22.93s: BEC 0
0m 22.93s: DRIVE_VENDOR 0x0116
0m 22.96s: got drive key
0m 23.30s: got host key signature
0m 23.30s: verified drive signature
0m 23.30s: verified host signature
0m 23.33s: sent host signature and key point
0m 23.33s: got bus key
0m 23.35s: got volume id
0m 23.35s: got volume id mac
0m 23.35s: volume id is correct
0m 23.35s: got vid
0m 23.38s: blu-ray 48FCB60B2F91980B24ACD88FD175785394F084AA
0m 24.89s: D 9DE1F066
0m 24.89s: got vuk
0m 24.94s: got unit key 4
0m 34.25s: got extended bdinfo
0m 34.25s: opened blu-ray
10m 21.00s: Blu-ray Copy: Full Disc
10m 21.00s: Source: M:\BDMV\
10m 21.00s: SourceSize: 30352 MB
10m 21.00s: RemoveHDAudio: 0
10m 21.00s: ProtectedDisc: 0
10m 21.00s: OutputTarget: BD50
10m 21.00s: OutputVideo: 1080p/i
50m 11.49s: detected blu-ray
50m 11.49s: drive M
50m 11.49s: blu-ray type 0
50m 11.49s: volume label UDF Volume

[CBR929]

Hi Rsnims2
I am confused buy your logs as to why you did not get a failed burn
Pulled from your log
I 13:21:55 Size: 34,270,693,306 bytes
I 13:21:55 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: MEI-T01-001) (Speeds: 2x)
Is this a single layer disc??? Reason for asking is that there is no way that you can fit that file size on a single layer disc with out compression.

There is a newer version of ImgBurn and you will find it here http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
CBR929

[DiabloZoe]

Hi Rsnims2
I am confused buy your logs as to why you did not get a failed burn
Pulled from your log
I 13:21:55 Size: 34,270,693,306 bytes
I 13:21:55 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: MEI-T01-001) (Speeds: 2x)
Is this a single layer disc??? Reason for asking is that there is no way that you can fit that file size on a single layer disc with out compression.

There is a newer version of ImgBurn and you will find it here http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
CBR929

He is outputing to a BD50

[CBR929]

He is outputing to a BD50

Hi DiabloZoe
I realize he is outputting to BD50 according to his thread title, but that size will not fit on a BD-R 25 Gb disc.
I do not do Blu-Ray at the moment, and maybe not seeing BD-R DL in the ImgBurn logs is what is confusing me.
I know that there are enough sectors on the disc compared to the file size sectors.

@ Rsnims2
Do you also have any on the fly decrypter running in the back ground...pulled from your internal log 2m 45.26s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
there is no copyright on this disc.
CBR929

[DiabloZoe]

Hi DiabloZoe
I realize he is outputting to BD50 according to his thread title, but that size will not fit on a BD-R 25 Gb disc.
I do not do Blu-Ray at the moment, and maybe not seeing BD-R DL in the ImgBurn logs is what is confusing me.
I know that there are enough sectors on the disc compared to the file size sectors.

@ Rsnims2
Do you also have any on the fly decrypter running in the back ground...pulled from your internal log 2m 45.26s: aacs 0 bd+ 0
there is no copyright on this disc.
CBR929

Sorry did not know you were looking at the ImgBurn Log, but here is mine and it does not say anything about burning a BD-DL which I did. I use windows to format my BD-DL and I only get a 1x write speed even though the discs are 1-2x I wounder if I let ImgBurn format if I will get the 2x??

I 14:01:14 ImgBurn Version 2.5.5.0 started!
I 14:01:14 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7600)
I 14:01:14 Total Physical Memory: 7,861,752 KB - Available: 5,982,872 KB
I 14:01:14 Initialising SPTI...
I 14:01:14 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 14:01:14 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10LS30 1.00 (M (SATA)
I 14:01:14 Found 1 BD-RE!
I 14:01:28 Operation Started!
I 14:01:28 Building Image Tree...
I 14:01:28 Calculating Totals...
I 14:01:28 Preparing Image...
I 14:01:28 Contents: 661 Files, 27 Folders
I 14:01:28 Content Type: BD Video
I 14:01:28 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 14:01:28 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 14:01:28 Volume Label: THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK
I 14:01:28 Size: 31,827,456,407 bytes
I 14:01:28 Sectors: 15,541,186
I 14:01:28 Image Size: 31,832,145,920 bytes
I 14:01:28 Image Sectors: 15,543,040
I 14:01:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00
I 14:01:28 Operation Started!
I 14:01:28 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 14:01:28 Source File Sectors: 15,543,040 (MODE1/2048)
I 14:01:28 Source File Size: 31,832,145,920 bytes
I 14:01:28 Source File Volume Identifier: THE_SOCIAL_NETWORK
I 14:01:28 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3E3D702E00ED27E2
I 14:01:28 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.5.0
I 14:01:28 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 14:01:28 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 14:01:28 Destination Device: [2:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10LS30 1.00 (M (SATA)
I 14:01:28 Destination Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: TDKBLD-Wfa-000) (Speeds: 2x)
I 14:01:28 Destination Media Sectors: 23,652,352
I 14:01:28 Write Mode: BD
I 14:01:28 Write Type: DAO
I 14:01:28 Write Speed: MAX
I 14:01:28 BD-RE FastWrite: No
I 14:01:28 Link Size: Auto
I 14:01:28 Lock Volume: Yes
I 14:01:28 Test Mode: No
I 14:01:28 OPC: No
I 14:01:28 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 14:01:28 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,991 KB/s (2x)
I 14:01:29 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 14:01:32 Writing LeadIn...
I 14:01:40 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 15543039)
I 14:01:40 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 15543039)
I 14:01:40 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 15:40:28 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 15543039)
I 16:07:35 Synchronising Cache...
I 16:07:36 Exporting Graph Data...
I 16:07:36 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Jason Ludwig\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH10LS30_1.00_SATURDAY-JANUARY-29-2011_2-01_PM_TDKBLD-Wfa-000_MAX.ibg
I 16:07:36 Export Successfully Completed!
I 16:07:36 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 02:06:07
I 16:07:36 Average Write Rate: 4,114 KB/s (0.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 4,852 KB/s (1.1x)
I 16:07:36 Close Request Acknowledged
I 16:07:36 Closing Down...
I 16:07:37 Shutting down SPTI...
I 16:07:37 ImgBurn closed!

[Rsnims2]

My original post already stated that there was no problem completing the burn and that's why the log doesn't show it. After I made my original post, I went back and analyzed the disc and concluded that I could backup the main movie to a BD25 without requiring any compression - unfortunately I had to eliminate the director's commentary to do it. This disc played fine in both players (I wasn't willing to waste another $11 BD50 on this title). Now I have a theory and it applies to all three titles that I mention in my original post: I believe that the disc loads some java code as part of the menu or other miscellaneous stuff that takes so long and then checks to see if the disc is protected (like the cinavia does). If it is, then fine, but if not, it sends the load routine to never never land - no menu displays and nothing you try from the remote will let you access any other titles on the disc. Unfortunately, the recent fix for cinavia does not enable the protected disc feature unless the disc actually has cinavia, so I couldn't test my theory. I sincerely hope that the next beta makes it possible to protect any disc regardless of whether cinavia is present or not because I really think that this is why these titles behave as they do. It would also be helpful to maintain a list of the affected titles as is currently being done for the cinavia discs to prevent our making so many expensive coasters.

[DiabloZoe]

My original post already stated that there was no problem completing the burn and that's why the log doesn't show it. After I made my original post, I went back and analyzed the disc and concluded that I could backup the main movie to a BD25 without requiring any compression - unfortunately I had to eliminate the director's commentary to do it. This disc played fine in both players (I wasn't willing to waste another $11 BD50 on this title). Now I have a theory and it applies to all three titles that I mention in my original post: I believe that the disc loads some java code as part of the menu or other miscellaneous stuff that takes so long and then checks to see if the disc is protected (like the cinavia does). If it is, then fine, but if not, it sends the load routine to never never land - no menu displays and nothing you try from the remote will let you access any other titles on the disc. Unfortunately, the recent fix for cinavia does not enable the protected disc feature unless the disc actually has cinavia, so I couldn't test my theory. I sincerely hope that the next beta makes it possible to protect any disc regardless of whether cinavia is present or not because I really think that this is why these titles behave as they do. It would also be helpful to maintain a list of the affected titles as is currently being done for the cinavia discs to prevent our making so many expensive coasters.

I have never backed up any old movies so I cant speak for them but I did do Knight And Day and did not have any problem, but I did movie only! And you are saying you are having a problem when you do a 1:1 copy? to a BD50?

[Rsnims2]

I have never backed up any old movies so I cant speak for them but I did do Knight And Day and did not have any problem, but I did movie only! And you are saying you are having a problem when you do a 1:1 copy? to a BD50?

Yes - in fact that is my "normal" way of doing things. Much of the enjoyment of collecting films comes from going back and looking at some of the special features or listening to the commentaries. I found a few good deals (comparatively) for BD50s on Amazon. I recently picked up a 10-disc spindle of printable Sony BD50s for $109. That's a little pricey, but still reasonable compared to what they were goiing for a year ago.
I just now completed extracting the main movie from "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" BD50 backup that wouldn't play earlier using DVDFab/imgburn and this disc plays perfectly - proving that the backup was OK except for whatever validation that was going on when my player tried to load it. My preference is to have the complete package, however.

[DiabloZoe]

Yes - in fact that is my "normal" way of doing things. Much of the enjoyment of collecting films comes from going back and looking at some of the special features or listening to the commentaries. I found a few good deals (comparatively) for BD50s on Amazon. I recently picked up a 10-disc spindle of printable Sony BD50s for $109. That's a little pricey, but still reasonable compared to what they were goiing for a year ago.
I just now completed extracting the main movie from "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" BD50 backup that wouldn't play earlier using DVDFab/imgburn and this disc plays perfectly - proving that the backup was OK except for whatever validation that was going on when my player tried to load it. My preference is to have the complete package, however.

I picked up 5 TDK BD50 from ebay for 45.99 with shipping! And I have never had a problem with TDK!!