Bluray player compatibility and using labels??

[RedJamaX]

Ok,,,

So fart I haven't experienced mnay problems, but im only through about 10 backups so far... including Avatar, Xmen, Gladiator, Harry Potter 1,2,3 and 4 (only watched 1 and 2)

I am using labels on my backups so that I have pretty graphics on the disk, because my wife and kids can more easily identify movies that way...

I have a PS3 and two Vizio BluRay players (VBR231, VBR220). None of these devices "officially" support BD-R playback in the specifications.

Harry Potter 2, Chamber of Secrets, experienced playback problems on ALL 3 devices right around the same area on the disk... maybe a writing error?? i dont know, but the source disk was pristine and so is the backup copy. The film paused, sped up and skipped... I was able to correct it by pausing and playing again...

So here are my questions...

1. Does anybody else use labels? If so have you experienced more playback problems when you use labels? I remember when I first started backing up my DVDs it seemed that players which did not specifically indicate DVD+/-R support definitely had more problem with "labeled" disks than other players that had official support according to the player specs. Anyboyd else noticing more problems with labeled disks versus unlabeld??

2. The leads to the second question... for players that DO NOT officially support BD-R playback, versus the ones that DO support BD-Rs... does anybody have experience with both, and can indicate wether or not official BD-R supported players have less playback issues with backup copies??

Specifically, the Sony S780 has offical support for BD-R playback in the specs and I am looking at purchasing that player in the near future.

Thanks.

[GregiBoy]

Quick reply. Do NOT use labels and do NOT buy Sony.

Labels bork the disks/player!!!
Sony sh1t is infested by the Cinivia virus!!

[Guest]

Quick reply. Do NOT use labels.
Labels bork the disks/player!!!

So very true.
I learned the hard way years ago not to put labels on DVD or CD disc.

[CBR929]

Hi RedJamaX
Along with the advise given about your labels, for your disc with playback issues please post your logs the default location is:
For Win7 C:\Users\User Name\My Documents\DVDFab\Log
or Vista C:\Users\User Name\Documents\DVDFab\Log
or for XP C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\My Documents\DVDFab\Log
Please use attachment button and attach your most recent, Internal and Burn log(s)and post right here.
CBR929

[berdman]

RedJamaX

I have been using a Panasonic DMP-BD65 player for the last year or so and it plays everything I put in it........I also use "only" printable Verbatim LTH discs and they work great......read the first Thread on this page....and read page 3 , it will give you some good info on how labels can mess up playbacks on just about any player

[RedJamaX]

Quick reply. Do NOT use labels and do NOT buy Sony.

Labels bork the disks/player!!!
Sony sh1t is infested by the Cinivia virus!!

As far as labels go, DVD used to be a problem when labels were applied, especially with the first series of DVD lpayers. With a quality player, it was no longer an issue, and now, even the cheapest DVD player will play every DVD with a label stuck to it. As far as time lines in technology go, we are just now entering that second phase of BluRay players... a clear indicator being "official" support for BD-R/RE playback (by official, i mean that it is listed as BD-R/RE compatible in the device specifications)

Ok... Cinavia "Virus"??

Based on the description I read, this software works through the audio coding... a player which "supports" the Cinavia coding (I assume that's what you mean when you say SONY is infested), will identify that the disk is not the original and it will stop playback of a recorded disk.

For this system to work, the disk you make a copy of has to have the Cinavia coding in the audio track.... And from what I have seen, not many movies actually have this Cinavia coding.


Logs attached... Harry Potter 2 was backed up on 10/11/2011

[RedJamaX]

RedJamaX

I have been using a Panasonic DMP-BD65 player for the last year or so and it plays everything I put in it........I also use "only" printable Verbatim LTH discs and they work great......read the first Thread on this page....and read page 3 , it will give you some good info on how labels can mess up playbacks on just about any player

Recent development in my problem with the bakcup disk of Harry Potter... I have found that it is consistantly that one particular spot on the disk that cause the video "lock" and/or "speed up" problem. I also determined that if I pause the movie and then continue, it works just fine for the remainder of the movie in all three of my current BD players (PS3, Vizio VBR231 and 220)

Almost all (90% or more) of my DVDs have sticky labels... I have played them in my PS3, Magnovox BD MG503(?), Vizio BD (vbr 231 and 220), Panasonic DVD, Zenith DVD, Sony DVD, RCA DVD, Generic built in to TV DVD, Generic portable DVD (Walmart), Polaroid Portable DVD, and at least 3 other set top DVD players that I cannot remember the make/model.

I ONLY had problems playing labeled disks on the RCA set top DVD, and the Polaroid portable DVD. The RCA DVD player was one of the earlier models released before there was any official support at all for DVD+/-R backup disks. The Polaroid was one of the first series of Portable DVD players. Every other DVD player listed has never had any problem EVER, related to playback problem regarding a DVD label affixed to the disk.

That being said, I do realize the Bluray laser is much smaller and more precise than the DVD laser and therfore is more subject to read errors related to disk wobble... which would be the primary reason for disk read failures on a labeled disk, second reason being the extra weight of the label, and a cheap and weak drive motor used to make the BD player itself. I suppose I will just have to get printable disks for my next spool just in-case...

But seeing as how I have 20 total backup copies so far and this is the first one to have a problem... I am willing to bet that this problem I had was a burning, or decoding error since it seems to reproduce the error in the same spot, and it plays the remainder of the movie just fine....

Although, I do like the idea of not havng to deal with labels though...

any problems with the printer causing smudges or scratches on your disks? Also, what printer do you use?

[Rich86]

To add to what others have said:
1. using adhesive type labels on any burned optical media of any type is looking for trouble. Don't do it. You will be sorry.
2. I use inkjet printable optical media (all types - BD, DVD, CD) and print nice labels using my Epson inkjet printer capable of printing on these type discs. It works very well, and the resulting discs have been very reliable.
3. I burn DVD+R media when making DVDs - and set booktype to DVD-ROM. This will give you the best possible player compatibility.
4. I can't speak to blu-ray player compatibility with burned DVD media because I generally play DVDs using my upconverting DVD player, and reserve my HD players for HD media.

[RedJamaX]

Quick reply. Do NOT use labels and do NOT buy Sony.

Labels bork the disks/player!!!
Sony sh1t is infested by the Cinivia virus!!

One more thing to add for those who haven't seen the update... DVDFab has updated PassKey to effectively "Disable" Cinavia protection... See the Very First post on the "Cinavia" Sticky-thread from more information, it seems to be the latest update at the bottom. (updated two weeks ago on 10/5/2011)

Way to go DVD Fab Team!

Makes my recent purchase that much more enjoyable!

[RedJamaX]

Almost all (90% or more) of my DVDs have sticky labels... I have played them in my PS3, Magnovox BD MG503(?), Vizio BD (vbr 231 and 220), Panasonic DVD, Zenith DVD, Sony DVD, RCA DVD, Generic built in to TV DVD, Generic portable DVD (Walmart), Polaroid Portable DVD, and at least 3 other set top DVD players that I cannot remember the make/model.

I ONLY had problems playing labeled disks on the RCA set top DVD, and the Polaroid portable DVD. The RCA DVD player was one of the earlier models released before there was any official support at all for DVD+/-R backup disks. The Polaroid was one of the first series of Portable DVD players. Every other DVD player listed has never had any problem EVER, related to playback problem regarding a DVD label affixed to the disk.

This brings up another question... am I just that lucky, in that I haven't really experienced many problems related to playback with labels?? Or is everybody else unlucky...

OR... Could quality of the DVD-R BD-R recordable also play a factor in this? I noticed that cheap disks are just cheap... no matter what the playing conditions are. For DVDs I stick with Maxell, SONY and TDK. Never had a problem with any of those...

I really don't want to pay more than $2 / disk for BD-Rs... The printable Verbatims seems to be a little more than that, but Pioneer BD-Rs are in that range... anybody use the Pioneers?? Are they good quaility?

[RICKENBACKER]

Dont do it!

Stick - on labels are a disaster waiting to happen. They may play fine for a while but over time the adhesive on the labels dries out and will cause you all sort of playback problems, you are the faced with a choice,- either dump them or peel the labels off, which is a real drag to do.Use a sharpie pen or printable discs,you wont regret it

[GregiBoy]

Save yourself the whole catastrophe and buy a media player and rip the titles to a hard disk.

Way better in the long run.

[berdman]

I recently purchased a 50-pack Verbatim 25 GB LTH hub printable 6X discs for $75.00 shipped on sale from Supermedia ......also seen some 4X on e-bay from japan for about $88.00 shipped and I also been using the CIS inks I got on e-bay which means instead of $92.00 for 1-set of 6 OEM cartridges , I pay less than $3.00 /set...and you can't tell the difference between the inks.

[berdman]

Save yourself the whole catastrophe and buy a media player and rip the titles to a hard disk.

Way better in the long run.

I am just got an ASUS media player and am testing it out.

[GregiBoy]

Let us know how you get on with it!!!