[QUOTE=glenns;134137]Yes you can rip a 3d movie to a folder.You can do full disk or main movie.Just make sure the 3d check box is checked.Do it right from the store brought disk no need to clone in this case.This is a straight 1-1 rip full 1080p resolution no compression.

If you were going to compress the movie then you make a clone to hard drive first (it's a iso) and when your compressing it the output is a file or you can have it output a iso also if that's what you wanted.Fab is very flexible.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

I also have two more questions if anyone can help as follows:

1) When ripping to a 3D movie to a BDMV folder will the folder be twice the size of the disc?

2) What does convert to blu-ray SBS 3D do? - i.e. what file format does it convert to?

[QUOTE=glenns;134157]The folder is the same size as the disk if we are talking a 1-1 copy no compression full disk.If you do just main movie then what ever size the main movie is minus the trailers and extras on the disk.Now you can also compress it down to fit a 25gig disk or file it will compresses down to 22gigs or so for the whole disk or less for the main movie.under main movie you can compress these down to regular dvd sizes 4.7 or 8.5 gigs.If your going to make a movie data base and store these disks as you will fill up a hard drive fast with 50 gig disks.

Side by side is a m2ts data format 1080i in one eye and reduced resolution in the other and can be made much smaller (your 3d tv must be able to do side by side most do) Same 3d effects but more compressed.They are still high resolution and can be put on regular 1 and 2 layer regular dvds or files that size that play on most dvd players that can play m2ts files.

These aren't blu-rays but can be put on blu-ray disks.I use these on a media player and hard drive.Using 2 layer 8.5 disks or files this size.These Files looks great even on a big screen tv or projection system and you can keep the hd sound as well.one last thing the best pictures will always come from your computer or media player to your tv by hdmi streaming is a mixed bag and depends on a lot of factors all working together i avoid this as unless all is per fit you may get audio dropouts or bad picture,no picture so keep this in mind.

So if your building a data base of movies to stream you want to find one of these ways to reduce file size so you can get more disks or files on your hard drive.Most of us buy a 3d Media player that also streams and has a mini internet browser that you can use on the road or for a home backup system for about $140 and a 2-3t hard drive.My 3t hard drive cost $170 You can take the whole set up with you where ever you go their small no more disk buying,disk burning,lost disks,unreturned disks from friends.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the feedback. Would the 3D blu-ray SBS option generate better results than 3D MKV under the blu-ray ripper set to the highest quality setting?

One thing I noticed with the blu-ray SBS is that the subtitles do not show up properly if you turn them on - half are on one side and half on the other. Is there anyway to fix this?

Also, I tried to generate a movie only BDMV folder and it doesn't seem to load at all on either my PC or my media player - is there anything special you have to do?

[QUOTE=glenns;134187]To play 3d movie on software players download Fab Virtual drive from the front page its a free program that you use to play 3d movies with softwear players like Power dvd.You load the movie into virtual drive then you can play it in Some software players on the computer..

If you use the highest settings on MKV you end up with a giant file.Both formats are just containers but mkv lets you use other 3d party free software to do things to the file.I don't know about subtitles others here may answer the question if there's a fix for side by side subtitles showing up wrong.

After you have virtual drive load the 3d movie in it (Virtual drive will act as a separate drive and show up as a different drive on your computer.example drive f hd drive you can have more than 1 also) use the virtual drive as the source for your media player or software player to play back as the virtual drive simulates a full 3d player.When using make sure your player plays the drive virtual drive makes (example drive f hd drive) A 3d file must have a miniso to play with a software drive on the computer so make one with the virtual drive
if fab didn't already make one with the fab file.Look at the movies files and see if theirs a miniso file if none make one with virtual drive.[/QUOTE]

So I can't play the BDMV folder on my player? My player (Oppo BDP-103) doesn't support ISO but does support BDMV.

[QUOTE=glenns;134190]I don't know much about streaming from a server to a blu-ray player maybe some else can help you with that.[/QUOTE]

I suppose what I am asking is whether you must mount the mini ISO to play the folder and get 3D video on a media player. If so, then this won't work for me.

If it helps I have used other software to rip the whole 3D disc to a BDMV folder and I can play it back on my blu-ray player. However the program I used creates a BDMV folder that is twice the size of the disc.

So I would like to rip the movie only to a BDMV folder but if mounting the mini ISO is required to work then unfortunately it will not work for me.

I'm not asking anything about software players as I don't care about PC playback. I have both a dune media player (plays blu-ray iso but in 2d) and an oppo BDP 103 blu-ray player that can playback 3d BDMV over SMB just like a high end media player - unfortunately it is affected by cinavia.

I don't care about burning discs I only want to stream to the two above players. So I need to figure out how to create a movie only 3d BDMV (which I am having no luck doing with Dvdfab) and something that works on my media player that is only 2d - either 3d SBS Mkv or blu-ray SBS for cinavia affected titles.

The only reason I brought up the other software is that it worked and Fab didn't for me but I also noticed that Fab BDMV folders are the same size as the disc whereas the other program creates a BDMV folder that is twice the size of the disc - my understanding is that is what you have to do to create a BDMV folder that will playback in 3D so I asked about the mini iso to figure out whether Fab BDMV folders can't be played back in 3d unless they are mounted as an iso.

Thanks for the patience glenns.

The software i was speaking of was Other Software (I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules) and it wasn't suggested by the media player or blu-ray manufacturer. I just have pretty much always had both programs just in case and for slightly different purposes.

Other Software creates a file that is twice as large as the original when you rip a 3D movie to a BDMV folder (this has nothing to do with my media player or blu-ray player) - it just so happens that my blu-ray player had no problem playing this file back.

However, the above is not an ideal scenario, while I like to keep my movies uncompressed to get full quality I don't want to devote twice the space of a full disc, in fact I like to rip just the movie to a BDMV. When I rip a 2D blu-ray to BDMV using DVDFab (which I have been doing for years) it works just fine on both on my Dune media player and on my Oppo blu-ray player. However, the movie-only 3D BDMV folder created by DVDFab doesn't work on my Oppo (which is capable of playing such a file) and the full-disc 3D BDMV folder created by DVDFab only seems to playback in 2D. That's why I was wondering whether it is necessary to mount the mini iso to get 3D playback which obviously then wouldn't be possible on my blu-ray player.

I can't see what I could be doing wrong so please let me know if I'm missing something in how to create a movie-only 3D BDMV that will play on a media player/blu-ray player that supports 3D BDMV over a network (although this should not matter as the player treats it as a disc that it loads).

Thanks again for trying to help. I find it rather frustrating after years of trouble-free ripping with DVDFab of 2D blu-ray movie-only ISOs and BDMVs to be having such difficulty with 3D ripping.

[QUOTE=glenns;134280]The solution is simple but costs about $140.00 buy a new 3d media player.You like i have the worlds most expensive hobby electronics.In 1-2 years everything changes you have to buy all new equipment end of story.

The tax man sometimes gives refunds from the loans we give them all year so us electronics loving consumers use their tax refund for this purpose unless of cause you make a lot and pay.Trust me when i say this a new media player will make you happy and last another 2 years or so till 4k comes out in players we can afford.

Now if you have electronic sickness that's a need for the smell of new electronics or compulsion to buy something new when it comes out welcome yes we gather here at Fab.

Now i can give you a way to get that new shiny media player with a credit card that's only used to pay that one item back at $10 a month let me know i have lot of experience with getting things i want or must have.[/QUOTE]

I can't see how a new media player would help. As far as Blu-ray is concerned the last generation of Dune and PCH players are as good as its going to get (full Blu-ray menu support). While some new players including from those two companies support 3D BD iso they only support the lite version, which has no support for forced subtitles or multi-part movies such as those with seamless branching so playing back something like Avatar from a 3D BD ISO would mean you don't have the forced subtitles turned on when they need to be.

Basically, from what I know there is no dedicated hardware media player that supports 3D BD ISO or BDMV with forced subtitles and seamless branching - however, my Blu-ray player does support 3D BDMV as long as there's no Cinavia.

In any case, has anyone been able to play a 3D BDMV folder created by DVDFab (full disc or movie-only) on a hardware media player - my suspicion is that to avoid ripping at double the size (due to the nature 3D BDs) the BDMV requires mounting as an ISO through the mini ISO - I can't see why if a software player requires that the mini ISO is mounted that a hardware player would not.

I have reached this conclusion because the BDMV complete rips I have created with the other software program that are double the size do not need mounting as an ISO to play on my software player (3D PC running TMT5) or my Blu-ray media player (Oppo 103).

Thus if anyone can confirm whether a 3D BDMV folder can or cannot be played on a hardware media player natively without mounting as an ISO I can quite trying to make DVDFab do something it wasn't designed to do.:)

[QUOTE=glenns;134309]Evt: I recommended you get a new media player because their are many advanced 3d models out their and maybe one may meet most or all of your needs.
I have A Mecca they have 2 models that do 3d and stream.I have no trouble with using fabs 3d folders or iso's made with fab,no issues with compressed 3d files or side by side fab made files and no trouble with converted by fab 3d folders into smaller sizes or other containers.No Cinavia trouble.

I have regular dvds and blu ray dvds with hd sound and 7.1 sound i just don't have a problem nor do i here anyone complaining about Fab made files and their media player except for the bugs in the fab program that turn up every now and then but they normally get fixed.

I have almost every 3d movie made (198) and fab made them all and they play with my media player.Their all on a 3t hard drive in m2ts side by side format reduced to about 8gigs each with full hd sound some with 7.1 surround sound.Some i left at full resolution full 3d and a few in 25gig full 3d all play like new.Some are in folders most are iso's all fab made.:)

Now streaming i have no reason for nor sub titles so that part of my media player doesn't get used by me so i can't tell you about it but if you take the time to look at the internet sight you can get the details.

I do know it won't play all blu-rays menus but it has its own simple menu.You paid for a expensive blu ray player that can't get the job done you want with 3d files and cinavia and you don't seem to want to try to make side by sides in folder and iso formats to try to see if they work on one or the other the way i just told you about.I say lets go to the manual and see what can these devices handle and what they can't as this normally tells a great deal.

I did what i can for you.I don't like every feature of my media player theirs been about 5 updates in firmware to it and only a older update lights up my hd dts and Dolby digital light in my receiver all the other updates have the hd sound but it gets converted to pcm channels like the Sony play-station did at first so i use it with the older firmware i like.Others use the latest and greatest cause it provides features i don't use, bug fixes etc. so for each his own.

In my humble opinion i would try the side by side formats or spend the $140 for a new player that's all i can say.Good luck.:)[/QUOTE]

Hey glenns,

I do appreciate the feedback and let me say wow (198 3d titles!). As someone who has a very large collection of blu-ray's I didn't even know there were 198 3D titles available (at least not on blu-ray). I noticed you listed all the different types of ISO and folder rips you created - can you double check if any of them are uncompressed 3D BDMV folders - if one of them is then that would answer my question as that's what I have my doubts about.

In any case, I though I would share with you and others some of my observations concerning media players and playback of 3D blu-rays in different formats. Also, for any other users who might have knowledge on the issue - please share whether you have been been able to playback an uncompressed 3D BDMV folder (full disc or main movie - it doesn't matter) on either a hardware of software player as a native BDMV folder (i.e. without mounting the mini iso)?

Observations re: Side-by-Side blu-ray copy:

As far as creating a side-by-side blu-ray is concerned, this format works reasonably except that it doesn't create 3D subtitles so I would say that side-by-side MKV using DVDFab 3D ripper is probably a better option.

Although I don't know what happens if you apply compression (as I have no real desire to compress my blu-rays'). Essentially, when you start playback before you manually or your media player automatically triggers the side-by-side 2D image to be merged into a single 3D image subtitles will appear centered on your screen as they should. However, once the two images are merged into a 3D image the subtitles will be split and pushed to opposite sides of the screen making them unreadable.

While subtitles are not in general needed by most of us - we all need forced subtitles that are present for parts of a high percentage of movies (e.g. to understand the Navi spoken parts in Avatar). In that light, blu-ray SBS is not useable for all discs whereas 3D SBS MKV is.

Blu-Ray BDMV/ISO:

Personally, I don't think any of the 3D media players out there right now are acceptable for uncompressed blu-ray as a significant percentage of blu-ray's have seamless branching and forced subtitles which players that only support bd-lite (all new players since they avoid a blu-ray license so that Cinavia is not required) cannot playback properly - e.g. forced subtitles would not be turned on by default in Avatar and movies such as those by Pixar which are split into many files will have pauses between chapters as the player switches to the next file. So as far as BD ISO/BDMV all new players (the only players that support 3D in a BD ISO/BDMV folder) are to my mind unacceptable.

Solutions:

A media player that will play all 3D blu-rays uncompressed without issue is not really out there yet (that I know of anyway). Given Cinavia doesn't look like it's going away the solution will likely be a player that supports MVC in an MKV and also supports forced subtitles. I believe there is one player that supports MVC in an MKV (but I can't recall the name at the moment) but it doesn't support forced subtitles.

For the moment, only a 1.4 HDMI PC with a 3D player pre-dating Cinavia will playback all 3D blu-ray ISOs without issue (that is if you're lucky enough to get an HTPC working without any bugs - not an insignificant task). For others using a hardware media player, I would suggest 3D SBS in an MKV as created by 3D ripper, it does apply compression but you can set the bit rate rather high and it deal with forced subtitles correctly.