Question about burn speed

[trashmon]

Hi, new to DVDFab BR Copy. Works great, I've copied 5 BluRays so far, 3 50gB to 25gB (Movie Only) and 2 50gB to 50gB(1 using Copy and 1 using Clone). All 5 are perfect copies. Not sure what the difference is between Copy and Clone, but both work fine. My question is this: I've been letting the software select the burn speed, which is incredibly s.l.o.w.... Yesterday I set the burn speed to 4x, using the Menu Option. Nothing changed, it is still incredibly s.l.o.w.... I mean, like 11 hours from start to finish, 0.1x burn rate (about 1 MB/sec). The burner, a Pioneer BDR208 is fully capable of running up to 8x, but I'm limited by the media, Verbatim 50gB 4x disks (which, reportedly, can be pushed to 6x). Tonight, I was going to try sourcing from a BluRay reader (Pioneer BDC207) and targeting the burner, rather than going to hard drive. I'm not sure how that will make a difference in that the time to copy the entire disk to the hard drive is only 30 minutes or less.
Long winded question, don'tcha think? Anyway, is this normal or is there a setting I'm missing?

[glenns]

Burn rate should be one half disk speed as a general rule.Burning to fast can cause the disk to not play correct or at all in some drives other than the drive you used to burn it in and is the number 1 cause of problems down the road.

The faster you burn the less deep the pits are burned into the disk making slight surface scratches something that will bother such a disk where as if the pits are burned deeper into the disk the scratches would have to be deeper to effect such disk.

With that said 25mins to a hour should be the time of burn for a blu ray burning in 10-15 mins. is too fast.

You said 11 hours for yours from start to finish well that sounds like the time to compress a disk and burn it not just the burn.If you meant it took 11 hours for just the burn then post your fab burn file so we can see whats wrong.

[trashmon]

Copy that, Glenns. Understand time required to burn readable pits into the media. I agree, the time used seems right for a compression copy, but I'm doing direct Copy mode (no compression, right?) and have used Clone with the same slow results. I just started another copy (@ 4x) from BluRay reader (D to BluRay Writer (E and same results: 23 minutes for Copy process (@24MB/Sec), then into Burn process, which rapidly degenerates to .1x - .2x transfer speed and projected task completion times of about 11 hours. Other threads on the subject mention IsoImage burn engine, I'm on DVDFab burn engine. Anyway, I'll see if I can find the Burn Log and post it for you. Thanks for the quick reply!

[glenns]

If your using clone or burn in version 9 the store brought disk takes me about a hour on my 2 core machine maybe faster on your machine to put on the hard drive and 25-55 mins. for the burn.

You can set up img burn to work with Fab by selecting that in fab settings after you download the img burn program.If your disks are 4 x and they burn at less than 2 x somethings wrong maybe the disks your using are not playing nice with your drive.

Have you used these with your drive before and have better burn speeds? Your fab logs are listed with the fab program where you stored it look for logs click that and look for the internal and burn logs cut and paste them in a post.

Clone is a exact copy minus the copy protection full disk has everything on the disk but the file system the way they list the insides are different and no copy protection.

Theirs a setting in fab settings (reset DMA) try this and reboot it should do this by itself if checked each time you reboot.

[trashmon]

Copy. In version 8.2.2.7 QT (whatever QT means...). Haven't used Verbatim 50gB 4x in this drive before, only Verbatim 25gB 6x, but those exhibit the same problem. Don't know what setting the Direct Memory Access is set at, didn't even know it was there. Will check. Where is this DMA option checkbox?
Looks like the current copy process of 'Man On A Ledge' will take about 8 hours for completion, 4 hours to go, but I'll not be awake at that time. Will grab the burn log in the morning and post it.
Other threads on this forum refer to ImgBurn, but I haven't a clue what that is..
Sorry to be a pest, Glenns, It's really not that big a problem, as long as it makes these great copies. The need for speed is making backups of 2000+ BDs.

[glenns]

If your going to make 2000 back ups even if you used 25 gig disks at a buck each that's 2 grand in blank disks.Why not buy a media player and 3-4T plug in hard drive and put them all on hard drives for less than a 1/4 of the cost of disks and save all the burn time.

Then theirs the Ciniva problem on fox disks that makes a media player even a better choice because it can play them you can't play fox blu rays on disks because of the Ciniva copy protection that mutes the audio after 20 mins. of watching..The media player is small and so with a plug in drive the whole system is portable.

Img burn is a dvd/blu ray burner a free program on the internet that also can be loaded into Fab to burn the disks.Use a search engine download it and go into settings, then drives, then dvd ,write, then burning engine change to img burn only after you download the program from the internet then go to blu ray write and do the same.When its time for the burn img burn will do the burning of the dvd all by itself most say img burn is a better burner than the one that comes with Fab.

To reset DMA go into fab common settings/General/look at the bottom of page make sure check DMA automatically is checked this way each time you reboot the Dma gets reset.To do it now hit the reset DMA button then do a reboot.

If your cloning a disk to hard drive and burning it in 8 hrs that's way not normal only way to help you is to look at both your burn log file and your internal log if resetting DMA doesn't do the job.

[trashmon]

Totally agree, you must be reading my mind. This whole thing is a leadup to doing just what you suggest. I've got 3 2TB externals now and these things just keep getting cheaper. There's 4.5 TB internal in the machine I'm using now. I also have well over 100 blank BluRays, and this is why: I have my collection in Collectrz and make it available to my friends, family and neighbors, sort of the local BlockBuster. I have, over the years, learned that it is a bad idea to loan out the original, as it may not come back in the best of shape. I usually don't even use the originals at home, but rather, backups. Been doing this for years, first just DVDs, now getting into BluRays (I haven't bought a regular DVD in a couple of years, just BluRays). So what happens is a friend will go online, locate a movie that they want to borrow and call to see if they can pick it up. Since most of the desirable movies are now BluRays, I loan them the original. I'd rather not do that, hence DVDFab BluRay Copy and I loan out the backup. All legit, I own the originals, I'm free to make backups of personal property and as long as the original and the backup aren't being viewed at the same time, no copywrite infringement.

The problem I was having with 11 hour backups seems to have been solved with your suggestion to lower the burn speed to 1/2 the rated media speed, which is 2x . I just burned a copy of "Man on a Ledge" and it copied to hard drive in 20 minutes, then burned a 50 GB disk in 40 minutes. I can live with that. Good advice, thanks!

Back to your Media player suggestion. I foresaw copying my collection to hard drives, and then thru some 'black box' (the media player?) driving the projector in my home theater. As of right now, the way I watch a movie is to select one from the bookshelf, walk to the equipment room, insert the disc in the DVD player and then return to the theater to watch. At this point, control of the equipment is by wireless remote. A real PITA. I can't get around the single disc DVD shuttle. It'd be much nicer to just pick a movie from a hard drive directory and start that feeding the projector.

At this point, I'm not really sure what a media player is, I assume a quality single purpose computer with an HDMI out from a high quality video card. Is the file that would drive an HDMI output an ISO file or something else?

Thanks for the interest and help!

[glenns]

Here is the media player i use it plays from folders or iso's and does any format i throw at it with hd dts and hd Dolby sound.You can plug in 2 UBS hard drives up to 3t each.Its outputs 1080p hdmi to the tv or streams movies from apps like netflex and has a internet browser.check it out its only $119.00 ships free economy shipping.It has a powerful processor in it to play hi def and 3d movies.http://content.miccastore.com/micca-ep600

[trashmon]

Outstanding, G! Thanks. I forgot to mention, I did download ImgBurn and used that to copy 'Man on a Ledge' to an ISO. Still took about 15 minutes to copy to HDD, and the burn was done at 15x - 16x (on a 4x rated disc). Took 20 minutes. Party time! Made perfect coaster. Not sure how to slow it down for disc copying, but it's really fast to make an ISO and at the exact size of the file on the original copy. Pretty sure that I could copy the ISO to a transfer HDD and drive the media player with it. I think 6 TB would hold a pretty good number of movies (that now occupy 250 square feet of wall space outside the theater). Do you think I could communicate with it (the internet browser?) from another laptop computer to select the file to output to the projector?

[glenns]

I think you need a hal 9000 but i run 200 movies mostly 3d from a 3t drive connected to my media player and directly connected to a 60 inch plasma and/or my video projector with no problems.

Run it with the media players remote and choice from 200 movies and growing every day got 1T left on the 3t drive before i have to buy another 3t drive to connect to my media player.I reduce most of my 3d movies to 8-9 gigs side by side so i get a whole lot of movies on a 3t drive.They look great even on the 8 foot screen.I use m2ts cause the larger frame size looks good on the big screens.