Avatar Extended (still) Out of synch

[Perro]

Hi guys.

[Please carry over with me. I'm a newbie to BlueRay]

Well, this little movie is giving me a headache: When ripping "Avatar extended edition" from BlueRay to DVD the sound drifts more and more out of sync.

Searching on the internet gives - among other things - hit to this thread at this forum:

http://forum.dvdfab.com/showthread.php?t=10582

where Spiker has the same problem.

I followed the advice, and got to change the drift from approx. 1 second in the end of the movie to - what I can estimate - 1/3 of a second.
It's better, but annoying anyway.

Another answer in an other forum (not about DVDFab) said the solution was to change FPS from 23.976 to 23.975.
When calculating it out it seem allright: The movie will be ahead of the sound about 10 frames, which is 2/5 of a second. But the question is: Where do you change that? I can't see this anywhere in the menus?

Another thing, just out of curiosity: I.e. "A bugs life" do not have the same problem. Why is "Avatar" different on this point?

Sincerely/Best regards
Perro

[CBR929]

Hi Perro
Please post as much information as you can that is in this thread Help Us Help You: Ripper/Converter Options

CBR929

[Perro]

More information.

Hello again.

Sorry about the lack of info, I'm a newbie to this forum too.

Now, during the rip, there was no pop-ups whatsoever. I am ripping the original disk, and as far as I could see there was no warnings or errors.

I use DVDFab 8.0.9.7 Beta.
As recommended in the thread I am referring to, I have set "Software" on the Video Decoder and the Video Encoder.

No other software runs at the same time.
My system is Win7, 32 bit.

This is until now the only movie this happens to. But my experience until now only counts "Avatar extended edition" and "A bugs life".

The logfile looks like this:

DVDFab 8.0.9.7 (2011/06/12 06:57:01)

0m 05.35s: option dvd2dvd 0 dvd2mobile 1 bluray2bluray 1 bd2mobile 1 bd23d 1 bd2dvd 1 file2mobile 1 filemover 1
0m 05.38s: Qt Translator file load success
0m 29.99s: detected blu-ray
0m 29.99s: drive D
0m 29.99s: blu-ray type 1
0m 29.99s: volume label AVATAR_CE_D1
0m 31.09s: root 3D501807AVATAR_C:AVATAR_CE_D1:AVATAR_CE_D1:AVATAR_ CE_D1
0m 32.52s: aacs 1 bd+ 1
0m 39.60s: got discinfo
0m 39.87s: got bdmv
0m 39.87s: Vendor: HL-DT-ST
0m 39.87s: Product: BD-RE BH10LS30
0m 39.89s: Revision: 1.00
0m 39.89s: Vendor specific:
0m 39.89s: AACS version: 1
0m 39.89s: Number of concurrent AGIDs: 1
0m 39.89s: Supports bus encryption: NO
0m 39.89s: Supports binding nonce generation: YES
0m 39.89s: got agid 0
0m 39.90s: sent host cert chal
0m 39.92s: got drive cert chal
0m 39.92s: BEC 0
0m 39.92s: DRIVE_VENDOR 0x0074
0m 39.95s: got drive key
0m 41.04s: got host key signature
0m 41.04s: verified drive signature
0m 41.04s: verified host signature
0m 41.09s: sent host signature and key point
0m 41.09s: got bus key
0m 41.09s: got volume id
0m 41.09s: got volume id mac
0m 41.09s: volume id is correct
0m 41.09s: got vid
0m 41.13s: blu-ray 76DAAA3A52834683DBF268308EA216496CE86DC3
0m 42.33s: D 44690413
0m 46.66s: got vuk
0m 46.66s: got fut
0m 47.01s: got unit key 7
1m 19.99s: got extended bdinfo
1m 19.99s: opened blu-ray
2m 29.37s:


------ begin mobile work(1/1) ------


2m 29.37s: create config(5)
2m 29.37s: convert profile(DVD_VOB)
2m 29.38s: blu-ray playlist(3) angle(0) chapter(1->75)
2m 29.38s: stream(4113,AVC,1) stream(4352,DTS-HD MA,1) stream(4610,PGS,8) stream(4615,PGS,8)
2m 29.43s: info: set output video frame_rate(24000/1001)
2m 29.46s: processing source(00049.m2ts)
2m 29.46s: info: enable multi-thread software decoder
2m 29.49s: subpicture(4610) mode(1)
14m 13.32s: processing source(00002.m2ts)
33m 11.10s: processing source(00034.m2ts)
34m 04.06s: processing source(00004.m2ts)
35m 42.89s: processing source(00035.m2ts)
38m 11.20s: processing source(00006.m2ts)
55m 55.78s: processing source(00036.m2ts)
56m 39.27s: processing source(00008.m2ts)
62m 25.41s: processing source(00037.m2ts)
63m 07.42s: processing source(00010.m2ts)
66m 44.51s: processing source(00050.m2ts)
67m 33.92s: processing source(00012.m2ts)
72m 49.94s: processing source(00038.m2ts)
73m 32.84s: processing source(00014.m2ts)
80m 21.41s: processing source(00051.m2ts)
86m 25.56s: processing source(00016.m2ts)
88m 13.97s: processing source(00040.m2ts)
88m 54.12s: processing source(00018.m2ts)
97m 37.43s: processing source(00041.m2ts)
100m 26.14s: processing source(00020.m2ts)
110m 09.32s: processing source(00042.m2ts)
112m 36.71s: processing source(00022.m2ts)
123m 52.43s: processing source(00052.m2ts)
126m 14.45s: processing source(00024.m2ts)
177m 02.03s: processing source(00044.m2ts)
177m 45.00s: processing source(00026.m2ts)
180m 05.26s: processing source(00045.m2ts)
180m 38.07s: processing source(00028.m2ts)
186m 59.28s: processing source(00046.m2ts)
187m 19.67s: processing source(00030.m2ts)
193m 45.49s: processing source(00047.m2ts)
196m 53.61s: processing source(00032.m2ts)
200m 56.92s: processing source(00048.m2ts)
205m 03.22s: info: set output video frame_rate(24000/1001)
205m 03.28s:


------ finish mobile work ------

Sincerely/Best regards
Perro

[ripvanwinkle1819]

Hi Perro,
I am a newb too with Bluray and this part of the DVDFAB software, but I had some glitches and coasters and have been successful. I may be able to help.


first: In dvdfab under settings screen. (a/v codec is enable Lightning-Recording box unchecked?

[Perro]

> first: In dvdfab under settings screen. (a/v codec is enable Lightning-Recording box unchecked?

Yes it is. I thought of this one too, I don't care how long time it takes to rip, I just want a good result.

[CBR929]

Hi Perro
Are you converting and compressing straight from your drive?

If so, please do not compress from your drive
First save it to your HDD as BD50 "Movie Only" without compression.
Then open the hard drive folder and select DVD5 or DVD9 to compress to another folder on your hard drive.
Use the "Write Data" mode of Fab to open this COMPRESSED folder and burn to a disk.
Doing it this way saves wear and tear on your optical drive and is also faster.

You can also view this final compressed folder and check for A/V sync issues before burning to disc.
Hope this helps

CBR929

[Perro]

Done! Problem persists.

Hello again.

Now I have done what you suggested:
"First save it to your HDD as BD50 "Movie Only" without compression."
This works fine. There is no sliding in the sound, as I can see using the VLC afterwards.

"Then open the hard drive folder and select DVD5 or DVD9 to compress to another folder on your hard drive."
This is done too. But now the sound is sliding these one third of a second like before.

I've chosen "Software" on all options in A/V Codec, and the "Enable lightning recording when..." is not checked.

I don't burn to DVD's. I have a computer standing next to my TV, and watch the movies directly from my HD. This is why I rip them at all. I have very bad experiences from DVD and CD's, and harddisks is the most reliable IMO.

I am very tempted to try to modify in the file called "bd_dvd.vob.xml" where is says "23.976" and alter it to "23.975", but I'm afraid I will not be able to determine wether DVDFab actually uses this file or not.
The rip takes about three hours, so its is not just to do and see what happens.

[Perro]

Done! Problem persists. Now with modification of profile.

I tried it out.

In the file called "bd_dvd.vob.xml" i changed "23.976" to "23.975".
No change.

But: In DVDFAB i could check "Specified in profile" under "DVD / Blu-ray Ripper", "Default framerate".

When saying "OK" to this, and opening the "Common Settings" again, this was changed back to "Same as source".

So, maybe DVDFab has not used the profile-file(?)

[CBR929]

Hi Perro
Download BDinfo and scan the rip on your HDD and check the frame-rate of the file,then chose that frame-rate.
CBR929

[Perro]

Done. Bitrate 23.976

Hello again.

Done. It says loud and clearly 23.976 fps.

Well, so much for the 23.975 fps-theory...

But why does the sound drift then? And what is the solution?