Apple TV: Now with sound but not multichannel

[akadennis]

Guys....

A lot of the problem is caused by the way the iCrap handles things and lack of understanding on Fab's part how it should be handled. Also, A/V receivers provides little/no support for AAC decoding and will not give multi-channel sound output when connected using HDMI passthrough.

I have just checked the latest version 9 DVD Ripper and can confirm that this is still the case.

The proper way to encode files for the ATV's is as follows:-

1. There should be 2 audio tracks contained in the file (Fab does not do this)
2. The first track should be AAC STEREO
3. A second track should be AC-3 6 Channel (Dolby Digital). This will be used automatically by the ATV only if the A/V Receiver is connected by OPTICAL cable. DTS is NOT supported by the ATV.

So here are your options:-

A. Get rid of the ATV crap and buy a media player that supports industry standard audio tracks. I say this after about 10 years of experience and at least 50 models of media players tested. For under $100, you can grab a media player that sh1ts all over the iCrap.
B. Use free software that has been able to do this properly for the last 3 years. I have continually asked Fab to implement multiple audio, multiple subs and chapter marks contained with the file using DVD Ripper to no avail.

NB: with option B, you still MUST connect you iCrap via OPTICAL cable.

Actually option B works with HDMI on my set up. Just got it to work using HB.

[GregiBoy]

Guys....

A lot of the problem is caused by the way the iCrap handles things and lack of understanding on Fab's part how it should be handled. Also, A/V receivers provides little/no support for AAC decoding and will not give multi-channel sound output when connected using HDMI passthrough.

I have just checked the latest version 9 DVD Ripper and can confirm that this is still the case.

The proper way to encode files for the ATV's is as follows:-

1. There should be 2 audio tracks contained in the file (Fab does not do this)
2. The first track should be AAC STEREO
3. A second track should be AC-3 6 Channel (Dolby Digital). This will be used automatically by the ATV only if the A/V Receiver is connected by OPTICAL cable. DTS is NOT supported by the ATV.

So here are your options:-

A. Get rid of the ATV crap and buy a media player that supports industry standard audio tracks. I say this after about 10 years of experience and at least 50 models of media players tested. For under $100, you can grab a media player that sh1ts all over the iCrap.
B. Use free software that has been able to do this properly for the last 3 years. I have continually asked Fab to implement multiple audio, multiple subs and chapter marks contained with the file using DVD Ripper to no avail.

NB: with option B, you still MUST connect you iCrap via OPTICAL cable.

[vschoell]

Thanks for the hint. I've take the time an tested it..... but this doens't work either. Chopy picture .....

vschoell

[90312]

If one of you guys with an Apple TV would invest a bit more time there is something I discovered while trying the mp4.h264.ac3 profile, the file size comes out really small. Try selecting advanced settings and clicking the dropdown menu "Video Quality" and sliding the "Bits/Pixel" all the way over to 0.5.

[miltonberger]

Ok. It works fine with your hardwaresetting. But the profile is named AppleTV3. So i think it schould work with appleTV3 (picture and sound). Can someone from DVDFab Team please look after it. Thanks.

vschoell

Dear 90312 (and DVDFab folks),

I'm with vschoel. If you market a product which says it can rip a BD DVD to Apple TV, you should make sure it works as such, which isn't the case here. You either should change the profile name to something else like AIOS or make it right. May I suggest you purchase an Apple TV (it costs less than a single full DVDFab subscription) and test it there?

Just recaping: Neither Apple TV3 nor mp4.h264.ac3 profiles works correctly for Apple TV.

[vschoell]

Ok. It works fine with your hardwaresetting. But the profile is named AppleTV3. So i think it schould work with appleTV3 (picture and sound). Can someone from DVDFab Team please look after it. Thanks.

vschoell

[90312]

I can tell you for sure there is nothing wrong with the DVDFab profile, I just made an mp4.ac3 with it and it plays fine on my AIOS. I even tried it on my iPad to see if it is an Apple thing and it plays fine on it as well. I think the problem lies with the Apple TV.

[miltonberger]

I'm with akadennis and vschoell. When I use the mp4.h264.ac3 profile, the audio is ok but the video is crap. I compared the info from the files resulted from Apple TV3 profile (which work ok for video but not for audio) and the one resulted from the mp4.h264.ac3 profile (which work ok for audio but not for video), using the MediaInfo SW, and the main difference I found between the two in the video section is that with Apple TV3 profile the 'Format settings , ReFrames' parameter is 1 frame and with mp4.h264.ac3 profile this parameter is 2 frames. May be this is the culprit for the choppy image.

Anyway, the procedure I mentioned above works perfectly and I will keep using it until DVDFab delivers a satisfactory solution.

DVDFab: Up to you now!

[akadennis]

Hello,

to buy an new hardware is one solution. I will stay with apple tv. Is there a chance to get a solution for the apple tv3 profile (stereo/ac-3 5.1 DD)?

The hint with the mp4.h264.ac3 doesn't work for me too, cause the same problem with the choppy picture.

I bought DVD/blu ray ripper just for apple tv3.

It would be very nice if someone from DVDFab Team can look after it.

Thanks vschoell

I agree. The apple tv3 profile works perfectly except for the audio part not outputing 5.1 from an HDMI connected receiver. I did notice another option was added where you can select 2 audio profiles or something to that effect but that did not work either :-(

[vschoell]

Apple TV 3 Profile

Hello,

to buy an new hardware is one solution. I will stay with apple tv. Is there a chance to get a solution for the apple tv3 profile (stereo/ac-3 5.1 DD)?

The hint with the mp4.h264.ac3 doesn't work for me too, cause the same problem with the choppy picture.

I bought DVD/blu ray ripper just for apple tv3.

It would be very nice if someone from DVDFab Team can look after it.

Thanks vschoell

[90312]

That's probably your best bet. Check out an AIOS media player on Amazon.

[akadennis]

Glad it's working for you but miltonberger actually solved your problem.

i thought it worked until I played it back. Got the 5.1 from receiver but the video was very choppy. i give up on this, think i'm returning this icrap.

[GregiBoy]

The reason that I didn't answer your post was because I wanted to pinpoint the problem.

It was what I suspected as you have found out but I have a few other suggestions:-

Some friends of mine have been stupid enough to purchas the ATV and I have done some encodes for them similar to to yours with the AAC as the first audio track and the AC3 (DD) as the second track.

They have their AV amp audio connected by optical and when the receiver is switched on, the DD 5.1 is automatically sent over the optical.

They think this is great because if the amp is not on, the stereo AAC track plays. When the amp is on, 5.1 surround.

You are totally correct about the AAC/AV amp decoding and this is one major point against iCrap.

[90312]

Glad it's working for you but miltonberger actually solved your problem.

[akadennis]

I don't have an Apple TV but try this profile, might work without all the extra steps:

This worked thank you very much. Now my question to you is I asked pretty much the exact same question on 12/29 in this thread

and you did not tell me to try the mp4 ac3 preset. what is up with that? I'm smelling discrimination ha ha. I'm just messing with you. Good thing I frequent this forum and read other posts thanks again for your solution to my problem. Have a great day!!