Error 702 with AV1 HDR10+ Content for MKV (The case for upgrading ffmpeg)

[MrGrackle]

Wonderful! After 3 years of my manually updating files every week, I may not have to do it anymore if the dev can get in the habit of doing it. Much appreciated.

Also, we need an updated YoutubeToMP3Process.exe every week using the latest YT-DLP nightly source (preferred) or the most recently released stable.
Others that need updating are MediaInfo, Shaka-packager, Aria2c, and Atomic Parsley. And while you're at it, update CEF (Chromium) every time a new version comes out.

As for mp4box, I lost interest in it after it was found to be causing 702 errors. Perhaps take a look again at Bento4? SF used to use it. I'm not a developer, so, I'm not aware of the advantages of either program compared to the other.

Yeah, yt-dlp needs to be updated more often, not after it has already been obsoleted by new code.
Is Bento4 a completely different program? I notice Peacock downloads always show the Bento handler.
I too would be leery of mp4box getting updated. They would obviously have to do it right. If it come out on a Thursday update I would steer the hell away.

[MrGrackle]

You get AV1 HDR10+ for Netflix made shows and movies.

So the new rules for modern codecs (H265 & AV1) are:

• Netflix made TV Shows and Movies: H265 HDR10, H265 Dolby Vision, AV1 SDR, AV1 HDR10+
• Non-Netflix made TV Shows and Movies: AV1 SDR

For example,

Is there presently a fallback? I prefer DV when available. Otherwise, absolutely prefer av1 for SDR content. So do I have to switch over to h265 DV before analyzing content if I want DV? Or can I simply toggle it before hitting the actual Download button?

There was another thread that somehow someone downloaded an AV1 video and it was green (aka DV) even though that's supposed to be an h265 on NF.

[Germania]

Is there presently a fallback? I prefer DV when available. Otherwise, absolutely prefer av1 for SDR content.
So do I have to switch over to h265 DV before analyzing content if I want DV? Or can I simply toggle it before hitting the actual Download button?

I've no problems with switching Video Codec in NF Selection dialog
(without changing VIP settings)

DV DL without selection DV I know only with D+ (with current SF) - here
or with "if available" resolution with AppleTV+ - here

You can see the NF "fallback" Codecs order here
and with NF (Premium) AV1 you can't see beforehand if it's HDR10 or not

[Germania]

I will ask the dev to update ffmpeg and MKVToolNix to the latest version, may can be released at next week.

All 3rd party tools are unchanged in 6236

[Wilson.Wang]

Hi,

There is a little problem upgrading MP4Box and FFMPEG to the latest version, the dev is working on it.

- Yes, still get the error 702 with MP4Box 2.4, but due to the Netflix AV1 is HDR10, we will reback to use the lates FFMPEG 7.1 for remuxing the AV1 videos.

HDR10+ video from Apple TV+
Video ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding

- The downloaded Disney+ Dolby Vision videos can not be played back on some old Dolby Vision standalone players.

Wilson

[Cats4U]

Hi,

There is a little problem upgrading MP4Box and FFMPEG to the latest version, the dev is working on it.

I'll take your word on this, but... MP4Box, I can see since it really needs to have the program recompiled from source if you want to use the static version like you are already using. The only thing publicly available right now is in the shared .dll form. As for FFmpeg, I've been able to upgrade it to the latest version weekly for several years now. Basically, it is just a matter of plug and play. I still use the method that you used when I first started doing it, which is a combination of both static and shared versions. About a year ago or so, the developer switched to using just the static form. I have considered doing the same, which would make things even easier.

[Stan001]

If you look hard enough, streamfab brands the FFmpeg with their own signature 'DVDFab Software Inc.'

I still wonder if updating mp4box is needed, but it never hurts to update it to the latest.

Streamfab browser needs an update as well, badly, as more reports are coming in with people not being able to log into their services, which is almost always a sign of old browser versions.

As of yet, updating mkvmerge seems to make little to no difference, even though it's a huge version gap from the one in streamfab to the latest (68 to 92). But again, it would not hurt to update everything.
I also found most of the other downloaders, some called recorders, don't even use mkvmerge, they just use FFmpeg.
FFmpeg can accomplish, making both mp4 and mkv files.

And of course, keeping their branded version (YoutubeToMP3Process.exe) of yt-dlp updated always helps. Then they can also brag, look at all the more sites that streamfab (yt-dlp) can support.

Right now, I mostly update FFmpeg because the old version 6 does seem to be causing some issues now.

[Cats4U]

If you look hard enough, streamfab brands the FFmpeg with their own signature 'DVDFab Software Inc.'

They are just "touching" the file, just like they do with the date on all files being the date of release.

still wonder if updating mp4box is needed, but it never hurts to update it to the latest.

Of course, it is needed. From what I have read, MP4Box is the preferred remuxxer for MP4 for people in the know. If it wasn't for the 702 issue, your thought of getting rid of MP4Box would never come up. Someone needs to notify GPAC of the problem. They are actively working on the 2.5 series as we speak.

Streamfab browser needs an update as well, badly, as more reports are coming in with people not being able to log into their services, which is almost always a sign of old browser versions.

No, CEF is not that old. What is it, 131, now? The latest release is 136. To be honest, most of the newer features in Chromium are just fluff anymore. None of it winds up being in SF. Security fixes are certainly welcome, though. I'm familiar with a renaming program that also uses CEF. It uses CEF 106. Granted, the browser is just used as a display for online databases such as TMDB, TVDB, IMDB, and TVMaze. Very simple stuff. And the kicker is one I did not know about until moments ago, the excellent downloader Tubedigger, only uses the 93 version of CEF. To me, that shows that downloaders and other programs don't necessarily need the latest and greatest.

As of yet, updating mkvmerge seems to make little to no difference, even though it's a huge version gap from the one in streamfab to the latest (68 to 92). But again, it would not hurt to update everything.

The only thing I see that has been added to and improved on in later versions and affects us now are Chapters. If you are using Amazon Prime and care about Chapters, it'd be in your best interest to update. For almost all the new features otherwise, a lot of it pertains to new and emerging codecs and formats that eventually SF, hopefully, catches up with. It is surprising that 68 has held up for so long, but why keep it that way when it is so easy to update it.

I also found most of the other downloaders, some called recorders, don't even use mkvmerge, they just use FFmpeg.
FFmpeg can accomplish, making both mp4 and mkv files.

As you know, recorders are totally different animals. No other DRM downloader actually downloads the audio and video files as found on the streamer server as SF does. Most record the combined display signals from your computer. They can get away with not using specialized apps because accuracy is not as important. No, I'd like to see MP4Box, MKVMerge, and FFmpeg all working at their full potential within SF. It's just a matter of getting the bugs fixed.

And of course, keeping their branded version (YoutubeToMP3Process.exe) of yt-dlp updated always helps. Then they can also brag, look at all the more sites that streamfab (yt-dlp) can support.

[MrGrackle]

I've no problems with switching Video Codec in NF Selection dialog
(without changing VIP settings)

DV DL without selection DV I know only with D+ (with current SF) - here
or with "if available" resolution with AppleTV+ - here

You can see the NF "fallback" Codecs order here
and with NF (Premium) AV1 you can't see beforehand if it's HDR10 or not

So I tried switching to h265 DV from a download window, and yes, it did work, but how do I know up front? If a format is not supported, does it simply not preselect it? Going into it with av1 in the VIP settings.
Example: Unicorn Academy S3E1. Force analyze the season and episode needed like normal. The download window shows av1 with no HDR of any sort (there is no option even listed for it). I click h265, it analyzes some more, still shows HDR10+ after analyzing. Then I click DV, it analyzes some more, then I click download. The download progress itself then shows the DV and h265 bubbles. Does this particular show not have any HDR of any sort in av1?

[MrGrackle]

Of course, it is needed. From what I have read, MP4Box is the preferred remuxxer for MP4 for people in the know. If it wasn't for the 702 issue, your thought of getting rid of MP4Box would never come up. Someone needs to notify GPAC of the problem. They are actively working on the 2.5 series as we speak.

Does one know specifically what to tell GPAC in this case? I am game but how does one approach it?

[Germania]

If a format is not supported, does it simply not preselect it?

With the VIP setting DV it is empty, with other VIP settings
the bit rate remains unchanged (as previously displayed)

> Unicorn Academy S3E1
> The download window shows av1 with no HDR of any sort

You cannot see in advance whether AV1 is HDR10 or not - see post #10

> Does this particular show not have any HDR of any sort in av1?

s03e01 currently not - but s01e01 + s02e01

[MrGrackle]

With the VIP setting DV it is empty, with other VIP settings
the bit rate remains unchanged (as previously displayed)

> Unicorn Academy S3E1
> The download window shows av1 with no HDR of any sort

You cannot see in advance whether AV1 is HDR10 or not - see post #10

In your example images, is it a guess when you dropdown the bit rates and such to determine what is HDR or not?
In the case of S3E1, it indeed has DV, just requires h265.

[Germania]

In your example images, is it a guess when you dropdown the bit rates and such to determine what is HDR or not?

As I wrote before:

You cannot see in advance whether AV1 is HDR10 or not

and no, it's no guess - I compare the resolution from Standard + Premium Plan.
If both offer the same it's both SDR, if Premium bitrate is higher it's HDR10


> In the case of S3E1, it indeed has DV, just requires h265

That wasn't in your questions - DV for NF is always only with H265 offered.

[Cats4U]

Does one know specifically what to tell GPAC in this case? I am game but how does one approach it?

If you aren't knowledgeable enough to know what to tell them, don't tell them anything. Stay out of it.

[MrGrackle]

If you aren't knowledgeable enough to know what to tell them, don't tell them anything. Stay out of it.

Charming.