New Anti-Piracy Windows 7 Update from MS

[maineman]

I installed it about 2 weeks ago and there are no ill effects on a legit copy.

Right....from what I've read, any os deemed authentic by MS will continue merrily along its way and no doubt this will be be the case for most of us.
I bought my copy from newegg and I'm not about to do anything to compromise my product key and I dare say most users will do likewise.

I also have no doubt that there will be some innocents that get caught up in this anti-piracy war waged by MS.

I have no problem with the initial activation, but I have a big problem with monthly re-authentication.

IMO checking to ignore will probably only work for so long. MS will more than likely incorporate it into SP1 for Win7.

Aint it the truth...but I'll hold out as long as I can

[Johan]

The rich stay rich

I also have no doubt that there will be some innocents that get caught up in this anti-piracy war waged by MS.

I think that is part of MS's goal to weed out individuals who resell PC's with windows installed that are not legit copies. The innocent ones will start complaining to MS and their response will be, "Do you have the name and address of the people who sold you this PC? " Piracy is piracy but your average pirate isn't using it for profit. They just want software for free.

Maineman
I have no problem with the initial activation, but I have a big problem with monthly re-authentication

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't DVDFab verify authenticity with every use? You can't blame developers for protecting their investment. The only difference is MS takes things too far just for profit. Always trying to squash the little guy. It is nice when the little guy comes out on top though.

An East Texas jury Tuesday found Microsoft culpable of "willfully" infringing two patents for virtual private networking (VPN) technologies that belong to Scotts Valley, Calif.-based holding company VirnetX. The jury also proposed that Microsoft be ordered to pay $105.75 million.

Microsoft will always come out on top. Back to XP people launched a class action lawsuit against MS saying that MS released their "phone home" update as a security patch misleading consumers. Also accusing it of being spyware.The judge sided with MS.

A lawsuit that accused Microsoft of misleading consumers to download and install an update for Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) under the guise that it was critical security update will go forward, but not as a class action. A federal judge has refused to certify the lawsuit as a class action, which would have meant anyone who owned a Windows XP PC in mid-2006 could join the case without having to hire an attorney. As Windows XP was easily the most popular operating system at the time, the move means Redmond has managed to avoid hundreds of millions in potential damages

The judge has also ordered that MS can claim expenses.

Jones also said that Microsoft could demand compensation for the money it spent contesting the class-action charges, even though the plaintiffs withdrew most of those allegations prior to trial.

So how does that work? Does Everyone named on the lawsuit get get a bill from the lawyers for $30,000. This would make consumers and Law Firms very leary of trying to sue MS again.

[maineman]

Hard to argue with much of what you said, plus I'm still in dire need of another cup of coffee...

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't DVDFab verify authenticity with every use? ...

Well, yes and no.
I guess for some BD+ copy protection an internet connection is required
I don't have any BR hardware, so I'm completely clueless here.

Once Fab is installed, you don't ever need an internet connection, except as above. My system does not allow Fab internet access.
I know VSO used to gather burn data (I think they still do) and only burn data from users world-wide so as to improve their products.
This miffed some and not others, but one could easily opt out and just choose not to allow Fab to connect.

One could argue that an internet connection is not required to run windoz.
I would argue that running an os is worlds apart from running software such as Fab.

Still, the fact that Fab does it at all, doesn't make it ok just because it's Fab. I believe we still need to at intent and just how intrusive/invasive the activity is.
Do I think MS is evil and looking to punish users with legit licenses?
Of course not.
I simply hold that MS has gone too far

You can't blame developers for protecting their investment. The only difference is MS takes things too far just for profit. Always trying to squash the little guy. It is nice when the little guy comes out on top though.

No argument here.
Well said

The judge has also ordered that MS can claim expenses...
So how does that work? Does Everyone named on the lawsuit get get a bill from the lawyers for $30,000. This would make consumers and Law Firms very leary of trying to sue MS again.

OUCH!

[Johan]

IMO the game publishers are still more intrusive and controlling than MS with their own versions of DRM at this point. Some will not work without an internet connection and others if you install too many times you have to beg and plead with the company to let you install it again because they feel three times is enough, And that is with a valid copy. Don't even get me started with STEAM.(you don't want to forget your password) Meanwhile someone who has hijacked a copy from their friendly neighbourhood torrent site will have no issues at all. Just makes me shake my head.

[Kinetic]

I'm not understanding.
I bought my Toshiba laptop about 2months ago.
Windows 7 pre-installed on it.
I download certain pirated stuff all the time, software, video, music.
Microsoft products i do not download.
Will this affect me?

[maineman]

I download certain pirated stuff all the time, software, video, music.

You do this at your own peril

Microsoft products i do not download.
Will this affect me?

I suspect that you download MS updates frequently and perhaps this update...
Update for Microsoft Windows (KB971033)
is already on your laptop.

You are responsible for your actions.
Play with fire and eventually, you will get burned

[Kinetic]

Movies and music that are out of print are what i download.

[Johan]

Cat and Mouse

Movies and music that are out of print are what i download.

Microsoft is not likely to address this but a frind of mine from work got a letter from his ISP informing him that if he continued to download copyright material action would be taken.

On another note it seems that if MS can make it someone can break it.

New RemoveWAT Update Now Bypasses Microsoft Anti-Piracy Fix KB971033

According to the latest changelog the utility now features disabling shutdowns on 90 day trial builds, disables the trial time-bomb in evaluation versions and takes care of KB971033 update even if it's already installed

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What will they think of next?

[maineman]

...
On another note it seems that if MS can make it someone can break it...

Ain't it the truth.
Thanks for the info Johan

[Johan]

No probs maineman I'm just whittling away some spare time at work.
One thing I have noticed about this new patch KB971033. It will disable some software that MS considers "pirating software" like CORE which is a KEYGEN and really what else would you be using this for?

[Chameleon]

No probs maineman I'm just whittling away some spare time at work.
One thing I have noticed about this new patch KB971033. It will disable some software that MS considers "pirating software" like CORE which is a KEYGEN and really what else would you be using this for?

CORE ( Challenge Of Reverse Engineering " I guess they are finished then.

[Johan]

Ya I typed in core keygen on google just out of curiosity and got this.

In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint that caused the removal(s) at ChillingEffects.org.

So it seems they have even gotten to google.

[90312]

So it begins! I got a pop up notice from MS this morning 5.2.10 that my Vista Ultimate is pirated, which of course it is not! The notice said they have detected some software that circumvents activation of Windows? I guess I’m screwed. I don’t have any pirated software, keygens or anything like those. I would remove that update if I were you, I wasn’t worried because I’m legal and legit but that won’t save you apparently.

[maineman]

So it begins! I got a pop up notice from MS this morning 5.2.10 that my Vista Ultimate is pirated, which of course it is not! The notice said they have detected some software that circumvents activation of Windows? I guess I’m screwed. I don’t have any pirated software, keygens or anything like those. I would remove that update if I were you, I wasn’t worried because I’m legal and legit but that won’t save you apparently.

This totally sucks and is exactly the reason that Lauren Weistein wrote his blog and I linked it on the first post.
It's interesting that the capability of MS to do this was wrtitten in as early as XP, but "supposedly" wasn't functional until win 7.

Is this rig factory built or home grown?
Like a lot of members here, I bought my version of
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
from newegg.
While it's genuine and a legit retail purchase, as oem it was subtantially cheaper than the fancy boxed retail version;
approx 1/2 price and since I built the darn thing, I don't need fancy.

Did you take a look at the info Johan posted?
I googled
"RemoveWAT Update Now Bypasses Microsoft Anti-Piracy Fix KB971033"
and got a number of hits.

Probably worth a shot.

[90312]

This is a home grown computer but Vista is a box retail version as is my W7 on my main computer. I'll check out the removeWAT, I wonder if it works after you've been targeted as a crook?