Clone Avatar 3D???

[Jack Humphrey]

I just bought/installed DVDFab's Blu-ray Copy utility. The first task I fed it was to clone Avatar 3D. It failed twice in a row during the closing portion of the disk write process (process log records Error=123 at the very end of the disk write sequence)...

For grins I used other software to rip an ISO file to HDD and Image Burn to write the ISO file to disk. I was surprised to see Image Burn wouldn't try to write the file!

It sees the ISO file as being 48,877,568 Kb in length and knows that's 'just' a bit more data than a formatted 50 GB DL disk has space for. Could this be what's biting DVDFab to create the '123' error?

If so, can it be possible that I'm the first to discover this??? A forum search using 'Avatar 3D' didn't yield much info in terms of prior thread(s)...

I didn't seen any disclaimer regarding the software's clone utility limits and other related utilities DO appear to provide compression. So, I'm scratching my head here on how to make a sucessful backup copy of my source.

[signals]

Clone is a copy mode that does not provide compression (a compressed disc is not a clone of the original). Please post the DVDFab log files related to this problem.

[Jack Humphrey]

That's what I would have thought (no compression in a 1:1 copy), but ad copy touts the software as being able to copy 'any' BluRay disk. So, if the source is larger than the effective storage space on a 50 Gig BD-RE, that can't be true without some level of compression (or information discard), eh?

I've been playing with various work around approaches (haven't found one yet), and I've deleted log files to keep things straight (what was logged with this/that particular option selection). However, I did dump some of the log files to the printer when I first discovered the issue. Here's a scanned copy of the dvdfab_burn_vso.log

[Jack Humphrey]

It appears the issue was one of raw source size vs. target BD-RE capacity...

Note the logged location where the write error occurred was Sector 23,652,352 which is the physical limit of the formatted 50 GB BD-RE. That's where the utility tried to write the lead-out.

One of the various work arounds I tried was sucessful. That was using BluRay Copy in 'Full Disk' mode, seeing the source disk was too large to fit on the target after the utility's copy/analysis, and then unchecking the box for HD Audio to reduce the aggregate size of the files to be copied. The resulting backup copy works great!

If my hunch is correct (simply a matter of bulk source disk size), you'd think DVDFab designers would like to make the software smarter:

(1) Precompute source vs. target disk resources before a job runs.

(2) Flag the user when it's not possible to execute a Clone task (instead of letting hours pass before the job crashes at the end).

(3) Automatically engage the 'appropriate' work-arounds in the Full Disk task for the reason(s) above...

[signals]

The pre-copy sizes are estimates. To make them absolutely perfect would require a long analysis time that no one would tolerate. You can set DVDFab to always remove HD audio in the Common Settings area. To avoid a failed burn due to oversize, write the Clone to an ISO on your hard drive and check the size before burning. Not great, I know, but I'm sure this situation will improve as development continues.

[DiabloZoe]

I just bought/installed DVDFab's Blu-ray Copy utility. The first task I fed it was to clone Avatar 3D. It failed twice in a row during the closing portion of the disk write process (process log records Error=123 at the very end of the disk write sequence)...

For grins I used other software to rip an ISO file to HDD and Image Burn to write the ISO file to disk. I was surprised to see Image Burn wouldn't try to write the file!

It sees the ISO file as being 48,877,568 Kb in length and knows that's 'just' a bit more data than a formatted 50 GB DL disk has space for. Could this be what's biting DVDFab to create the '123' error?

If so, can it be possible that I'm the first to discover this??? A forum search using 'Avatar 3D' didn't yield much info in terms of prior thread(s)...

I didn't seen any disclaimer regarding the software's clone utility limits and other related utilities DO appear to provide compression. So, I'm scratching my head here on how to make a sucessful backup copy of my source.

Are you right clicking on the BDMV folder and getting the size from that or just looking at the size of the virtual drive? I've already stated the sizes I have after making my unprotected ISO's.

If I go back to the original disc (X-Files 1), and look in Explorer the disc shows as 46.6GB, if I right click and chose 'Properties' it's 46.6GB, if I then browse the disc and Highlight all the files and folders on the disc and get the properties it comes out at 38.9GB. When you make an ISO from the original disc it keeps the size information that the disc has (in this case 46.6GB) you have to copy everything to a folder and remake it as a new ISO to get rid of the fake size information and get the real size. I'm not sure if this will work if you want to keep the copy protection intact

[Jack Humphrey]

Well, it looks like we've put this one to bed & THANKS for the 'handholding' replies...

Yep, I used to work in the 'biz' and there is a limit to what you can design for. Plus, things DO improve over time with feedback and useage experience.

The only thing I think the marketing boyos need to consider is public statements to the effect the software can copy anything! Here's one case where it appears it's not physically possible to make a 100% clone copy of the original source disk.

[Jack Humphrey]

Apples and oranges, this is NOT (X-Files 1) this is the promo copy of Avatar 3D that you can only get today by buying a hardware 'bundle' from Panasonic.

The numbers quoted come from two sources:

(1) The size of the ISO file when ripped to disk using the competitor utility.

(2) The size of the files when Clone copy was attempted using DVDFab's Clone utility.

Both sources agreed the source disk was just 'slightly' larger in data content than you get with a BD-50 disk formatted to be used in a DVD player...

[Jack Humphrey]

More info..interesting!

I did a Google search thinking I can't be the only guy to have experienced this issue and I got a hit with the Avatar 3D disk title: RED_BIRD_3D_WW. The thread appeared on the ImgBurn forum.

A poster there experienced the same situation I did using DVDFab to attempt a Clone copy of the Bluray disk. Instead of raising the question/issue on this forum, he used DVDFab to rip a Clone copy to ISO file and duplicated the inability to write it to a 50G BD-RE using ImgBurn. Basically, BOTH writers fell on their swords trying to put a file with that much data in it on disk.

The post there was rather recent (1/28/2011) and the reply was almost immediate WITH a solution! Forum member 'Lightning UK', reputed to be a co-author of ImgBurn, told the poster to do a few things and then re-try the burn attempt. The things were:

(1) Check the firmware rev level of your BD burner (free site directions given) and update if warranted.

(2) Insert the BD-RE disk that failed to take the write attempt into the drive and invoke ImgBurn.

(3) Use ImgBurn's 'Settings' pulldown (Tools, Setting, Write) to INSURE the burner drive sub-option (ImgBurn has MANY user selectable settings) 'Prefer format without spare areas' is checked/engaged.

(4) Now, invoke the ImgBurn Erase/Format utility (a Disk sub-feature once an ImgBurn task has been selected). BEWARE! This takes FOREVER (many hours)...

(5) When done, re-execute the .ISO file burn.

The thread poster was dubious, but reported that FIXED the problem! So, I tried it myself. Using DVDFab to Clone AVATAR 3D to ISO file on disk, I created file that was 50,050,629,632 bytes and 24,438,784 Sectors in length. That shouldn't fit on a standard 50G BD-RE platter...

But, SURPRISE! When I ran ImgBurn and told it to burn my DVDFab created ISO file to disk (again a 50G BD-RE platter that I'd done the ImgBurn Erase/Format function on), it merrily wrote the file to disk without a hitch... And, the resulting archival copy plays BEAUTIFULLY on my early Sony 3D player!

[blu-ray-ripper-72]

I just bought/installed DVDFab's Blu-ray Copy utility. The first task I fed it was to clone Avatar 3D. It failed twice in a row during the closing portion of the disk write process (process log records Error=123 at the very end of the disk write sequence)...

For grins I used other software to rip an ISO file to HDD and Image Burn to write the ISO file to disk. I was surprised to see Image Burn wouldn't try to write the file!

It sees the ISO file as being 48,877,568 Kb in length and knows that's 'just' a bit more data than a formatted 50 GB DL disk has space for. Could this be what's biting DVDFab to create the '123' error?

If so, can it be possible that I'm the first to discover this??? A forum search using 'Avatar 3D' didn't yield much info in terms of prior thread(s)...

I didn't seen any disclaimer regarding the software's clone utility limits and other related utilities DO appear to provide compression. So, I'm scratching my head here on how to make a sucessful backup copy of my source.

sounds like you ran out of hdd space lol i just did a clone of the new release of Avatar 3D with no problems at all with the latest version of DVDFAB 8.2.1.5...

[fengtao]

You can use "DVDFab Burning Engine" to burn BD-RE, it will format it without spare space automatically.