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    Possible Harm to Original DVD?

    I copied one of my DVD's, and then watched the original. My original DVD seems altered. Like the video on the TV screen appears to slightly "jump" or "wiggle" while playing. I was just curious if this could've been caused somehow by me attempting to copy it. The disc itself is in perfect condition, no smudges, no scratches, in fact it's nearly brand new. Keep in mind the disc in question is NOT a copy, but rather the original disc that I purchased. I'd watched it before and didn't notice the "bouncing". Is this perhaps something that was already present on the disc that I simply hadn't noticed before, or is this something I've induced myself. Here is everything I've done to the disc.

    1.) Watched it on my Xbox360 Elite
    2.) Copied it to an .ISO with DVD Shrink
    3.) Copied it to an .AVI with DVD Fab
    4.) Attempted to watch it again.

    NOTE: About a year had past between 1 and 2. So you can assume it's been over a year between 1 and 4. Anyway the shaking appears to be exaggerated in the back-ups. It shakes 2x worse than the original in them. I could care less about the backups though, I wanna know if it is at all possible that I could've caused this to the original DVD, or if it was something that was already present. Thanks in advance.

    ~Sage Raziel

    #2
    sageraziel
    I do not believe that you caused this shaking on your original DVD, it could have been a bad press which is not uncommon which could may have worsened since you watched it and burned it. Do they both shake at the same spots in the movie? If it was just your backup I would say it was poor media, as just this year I had to backup my sons Polar Express again as when I burned it I used poor media and half way through the movie it had no sound
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      #3
      There is really no way for Fab to change anything on the original DVD.

      The only way is could evere see anything like that happening would be a catastrophic hardware failure of your reader which would then leave scores/scratches on the DVD.
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        #4
        Nope, there are absolutely no scratches/marks/smudges on the disc. It's basically new. I watched it once, then copied, then watched again. By the way, the original is the one shaking. Actually they both are, but the copy is much worse. They both shake through the entire movie. It's not like horrible shaking, but just a little bit. Which is just enough to annoying the crap out of the watcher. Like at first I wasn't even sure if it was shaking. I watched it for like 20 minutes, and then looked to my sister and said "Did it look like it was shaking to you?" She replied "I don't think so.". Then I rewound it and we watched. She immediately said "Yeah it is a little bit.". I saw it too. I took a look at my copy and it too shook but much much much worse. So I decided to forget about the copies and worry about why my original has decided to "jump".

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          #5
          Originally posted by sageraziel View Post
          Nope, there are absolutely no scratches/marks/smudges on the disc. It's basically new. I watched it once, then copied, then watched again. By the way, the original is the one shaking. Actually they both are, but the copy is much worse. They both shake through the entire movie. It's not like horrible shaking, but just a little bit. Which is just enough to annoying the crap out of the watcher. Like at first I wasn't even sure if it was shaking. I watched it for like 20 minutes, and then looked to my sister and said "Did it look like it was shaking to you?" She replied "I don't think so.". Then I rewound it and we watched. She immediately said "Yeah it is a little bit.". I saw it too. I took a look at my copy and it too shook but much much much worse. So I decided to forget about the copies and worry about why my original has decided to "jump".

          Sounds to me like either your DVD player or monitor/TV is slowly on its way out... as previously indicated, short of you causing actual physical damage to the original DVD, nothing was done to the original with the copying process.

          DC

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            #6
            Ok here are some further test results;
            DVD Played on laptop = Shakey
            DVD Played on Xbaox360 Elite = Shakey
            DVD Played on PS2 = Shakey
            DVD played in normal DVD Player = Shakey
            DVD played in normal DVD Player built into flat screen TC = Perfect

            WHY?

            The same disc worked perfectly fine in all my players not too long ago. Not to mention I am only having problem with this series. All other movies work fine in all my players.

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              #7
              I had to change the reader in my ps3, because it was burning rings into my dvd backups. Unless you have no physical signs of mechanical wear on the dvd itself it is hard to tell. The only thing I am wondering where did you have this dvd stored. Perhaps an environmental issue has caused this. (heat. cold and so on). Just curious?

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                #8
                Originally posted by sageraziel View Post
                Ok here are some further test results;
                DVD Played on laptop = Shakey
                DVD Played on Xbaox360 Elite = Shakey
                DVD Played on PS2 = Shakey
                DVD played in normal DVD Player = Shakey
                DVD played in normal DVD Player built into flat screen TC = Perfect

                WHY?

                The same disc worked perfectly fine in all my players not too long ago. Not to mention I am only having problem with this series. All other movies work fine in all my players.

                (If you can ignore my previous post for a moment), I am beginning to suspect that you have what I call a 'Borderline Mastered' DVD... you are now noticing jumpyness on playback of the original, and, as you noted, more pronounced on the back-ups. The flaw in the DVD isn't enough to prevent its being copied, but the copies are displaying the same symptoms...

                Based on what you've said, I'd be more interested in knowing why that one player of yours DOES play the original cleanly...

                Perhaps, as ripvanwinkle1819 suggests, proximity to a heat source may have altered the shape of the DVD enough (even if not visible to the eye) to accentuate these flaws, which is why they aren't playing clean anymore.

                In any event, I suspect it's been too long to try returning them (don't let that stop you from trying), but otherwise you may be stuck with them.

                DC



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                Last edited by DarthCopier; 03-13-2010, 05:17 AM.

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                  #9
                  I would find the studios website and send them a support message asking why your DVD is like that. I would not say you made any back ups of it though as that would not go good with the studio. Complain about how it plays back and just say you are now Leary about buying DVDs released by them as you not want any more to play back like this one as well.

                  The studio just might mail you a replacement copy but shipping would probably be at your expense though. But first they would want you to send them the DVD you have to make sure it actually does have playback problems

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                    #10
                    As noted by others, it is possible but highly unlikely that reading the original DVD caused it any damage. Try renting a copy somewhere and see how it plays back.
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                      #11
                      Well here are some further details to add to the mystery. The DVD's were kept in their cases in my room since I bought them. My room never gets extremely cold or hot so that theory is out of the question. Also there is no visible damage to the disc either from machine, nor other means. It's part of an anime series I have which has 13 discs. I copied all 13 the same way and all 13 are showing the same symptoms. Oddly enough the 13 discs were not bought at the same time nor at the same place. discs 1-3 came from Walmart, 4-6 from Ebay, 7-9 Amazon, 10-13 FYE in my local mall. Surely this same defect would not be noted in ALL discs released by VIZ media? I have several other series from them that are all perfect. Note that the player I said played it perfect still had the shake but it was sooo minor it was only noticeable if you really strained to see it. The other players it was way noticeable, so much so that it distracted the viewers. It appears the shake is something I cannot avoid; Next question why is it more shaky in some players than others??? Xbox was the worst play of them all. Also why are the copied DVD's 3x as shaky? Clearly this problem is magnified by the copy process. Any input would be great.

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                        #12
                        This has NOTHING to do with our discussed topic but....Here is my latest burn log from Image Burn...Is this set up right for the best quality backups? Someone mentioned setting my write speed or something.

                        I 13:11:19 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!
                        I 13:11:19 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition (6.1, Build 7600)
                        I 13:11:19 Total Physical Memory: 1,958,796 KB - Available: 1,048,372 KB
                        W 13:11:19 Drive E:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
                        W 13:11:19 SPTD can have a detrimental effect on drive performance.
                        I 13:11:19 Initialising SPTI...
                        I 13:11:19 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
                        I 13:11:22 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
                        I 13:11:42 Operation Started!
                        I 13:11:42 Building Image Tree...
                        I 13:11:42 Checking Directory Depth...
                        I 13:11:42 Calculating Totals...
                        I 13:11:42 Preparing Image...
                        I 13:11:42 Checking Path Length...
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                        I 13:11:42 Content Type: DVD Video
                        I 13:11:42 Data Type: MODE1/2048
                        I 13:11:42 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:11:42 Volume Label: ACROSS_THE_HALL
                        I 13:11:42 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled
                        I 13:11:42 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
                        I 13:11:42 TV System: NTSC
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                        I 13:11:42 Sectors: 2,201,653
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                        I 13:11:42 Image Sectors: 2,201,952
                        I 13:11:42 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00
                        I 13:11:42 Operation Started!
                        I 13:11:42 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
                        I 13:11:42 Source File Sectors: 2,201,952 (MODE1/2048)
                        I 13:11:42 Source File Size: 4,509,597,696 bytes
                        I 13:11:42 Source File Volume Identifier: ACROSS_THE_HALL
                        I 13:11:42 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
                        I 13:11:42 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
                        I 13:11:42 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:11:42 Destination Device: [0:1:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C TF01 (D (ATAPI)
                        I 13:11:42 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MBIPG101-R05-01) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
                        I 13:11:42 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
                        I 13:11:42 Write Mode: DVD
                        I 13:11:43 Write Type: DAO
                        I 13:11:43 Write Speed: MAX
                        I 13:11:43 DVD+R Reserve Track: No
                        I 13:11:43 Link Size: Auto
                        I 13:11:43 Lock Volume: Yes
                        I 13:11:43 Test Mode: No
                        I 13:11:43 OPC: No
                        I 13:11:43 BURN-Proof: Enabled
                        I 13:11:43 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM
                        I 13:11:43 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
                        I 13:11:44 Writing LeadIn...
                        I 13:12:12 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2201951)
                        I 13:12:12 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2201951)
                        I 13:21:46 Synchronising Cache...
                        I 13:21:49 Closing Track...
                        I 13:21:51 Finalising Disc...
                        I 13:22:08 Exporting Graph Data...
                        I 13:22:08 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_TF01_SATURDAY-MARCH-13-2010_1-11_PM_MBIPG101-R05-01_MAX.ibg
                        I 13:22:08 Export Successfully Completed!
                        I 13:22:08 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:25
                        I 13:22:08 Average Write Rate: 7,672 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,197 KB/s (8.1x)
                        I 13:22:08 Cycling Tray before Verify...
                        W 13:22:22 Waiting for device to become ready...
                        I 13:22:34 Device Ready!
                        I 13:22:35 Operation Started!
                        I 13:22:35 Source Device: [0:1:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C TF01 (D (ATAPI)
                        I 13:22:35 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MBIPG101-R05-01) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
                        I 13:22:35 Image File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
                        I 13:22:35 Image File Sectors: 2,201,952 (MODE1/2048)
                        I 13:22:35 Image File Size: 4,509,597,696 bytes
                        I 13:22:35 Image File Volume Identifier: ACROSS_THE_HALL
                        I 13:22:35 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
                        I 13:22:35 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
                        I 13:22:35 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:22:35 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
                        I 13:22:35 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2201951)
                        I 13:22:35 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2201951)
                        I 13:32:16 Exporting Graph Data...
                        I 13:32:16 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_TF01_SATURDAY-MARCH-13-2010_1-11_PM_MBIPG101-R05-01_MAX.ibg
                        I 13:32:16 Export Successfully Completed!
                        I 13:32:16 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:40
                        I 13:32:16 Average Verify Rate: 7,592 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,262 KB/s (8.1x)
                        I 13:33:02 Operation Started!
                        I 13:33:02 Building Image Tree...
                        I 13:33:02 Checking Directory Depth...
                        I 13:33:02 Calculating Totals...
                        I 13:33:02 Preparing Image...
                        I 13:33:02 Checking Path Length...
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                        I 13:33:02 Data Type: MODE1/2048
                        I 13:33:02 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:33:02 Volume Label: ROAD_TRIP_BEER_PONG
                        I 13:33:02 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled
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                        I 13:33:02 Image Sectors: 2,202,112
                        I 13:33:02 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00
                        I 13:33:02 Operation Started!
                        I 13:33:02 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
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                        I 13:33:02 Source File Size: 4,509,925,376 bytes
                        I 13:33:02 Source File Volume Identifier: ROAD_TRIP_BEER_PONG
                        I 13:33:02 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
                        I 13:33:02 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
                        I 13:33:02 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:33:02 Destination Device: [0:1:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C TF01 (D (ATAPI)
                        I 13:33:02 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MBIPG101-R05-01) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
                        I 13:33:02 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
                        I 13:33:02 Write Mode: DVD
                        I 13:33:02 Write Type: DAO
                        I 13:33:02 Write Speed: MAX
                        I 13:33:02 DVD+R Reserve Track: No
                        I 13:33:02 Link Size: Auto
                        I 13:33:02 Lock Volume: Yes
                        I 13:33:02 Test Mode: No
                        I 13:33:02 OPC: No
                        I 13:33:02 BURN-Proof: Enabled
                        I 13:33:02 Book Type Setting: DVD-ROM
                        I 13:33:02 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
                        I 13:33:03 Writing LeadIn...
                        I 13:33:33 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2202111)
                        I 13:33:33 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2202111)
                        I 13:43:07 Synchronising Cache...
                        I 13:43:10 Closing Track...
                        I 13:43:12 Finalising Disc...
                        I 13:43:30 Exporting Graph Data...
                        I 13:43:30 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_TF01_SATURDAY-MARCH-13-2010_1-33_PM_MBIPG101-R05-01_MAX.ibg
                        I 13:43:30 Export Successfully Completed!
                        I 13:43:30 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:27
                        I 13:43:30 Average Write Rate: 7,686 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,188 KB/s (8.1x)
                        I 13:43:30 Cycling Tray before Verify...
                        W 13:43:43 Waiting for device to become ready...
                        I 13:43:56 Device Ready!
                        I 13:43:57 Operation Started!
                        I 13:43:57 Source Device: [0:1:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L633C TF01 (D (ATAPI)
                        I 13:43:57 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MBIPG101-R05-01) (Speeds: 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
                        I 13:43:57 Image File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
                        I 13:43:57 Image File Sectors: 2,202,112 (MODE1/2048)
                        I 13:43:57 Image File Size: 4,509,925,376 bytes
                        I 13:43:57 Image File Volume Identifier: ROAD_TRIP_BEER_PONG
                        I 13:43:57 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
                        I 13:43:57 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
                        I 13:43:57 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
                        I 13:43:57 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
                        I 13:43:57 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2202111)
                        I 13:43:57 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2202111)
                        I 13:53:38 Exporting Graph Data...
                        I 13:53:38 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Jason\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CDDVDW_TS-L633C_TF01_SATURDAY-MARCH-13-2010_1-33_PM_MBIPG101-R05-01_MAX.ibg
                        I 13:53:38 Export Successfully Completed!
                        I 13:53:38 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:40
                        I 13:53:38 Average Verify Rate: 7,593 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 11,270 KB/s (8.1x)

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by sageraziel View Post
                          This has NOTHING to do with our discussed topic but....Here is my latest burn log from Image Burn...Is this set up right for the best quality backups? Someone mentioned setting my write speed or something.

                          Not exactly...

                          The media you are using is Moser Baer made in India... marginal at best... usually worse.

                          Your write speed is set on Max. - way too fast for the media, and way too fast for a video burn... as you can see from the submitted burn log, the speed got as high as 8.1X rated speed... unfortunately, Imgburn doesn't tell us where this occurred... ideal write speed is approx. half the fastest rated speed of the media... in your case 4X.

                          Re the originals themselves... a bad master is a bad master... distribution copies are made from the master disc, and if there is a problem with the master, it'll carry over to all copies made from it, and be distributed all over N.A., so it doesn't much matter where you got it from... they were all made from the same master... and the quality won't improve until they make a new master... (or, at least, hopefully it will...).

                          From where we sit here, without proper test equipment etc. to check out your actual discs, the best we can do is offer (sort of) educated guesses as to the cause of your particular problem... hence the temperature suggestion, and even the mastering problem... we'll never know for sure (unless you spend a lot of money and get your discs tested at a professional lab with the proper equipment).

                          Sorry, but it's the best we can do and the best you can expect from us.

                          DC



                          P.S. It also looks like you're doing this on a lappy...which makes both the drive you have installed suspect, and it's well known that lappies generate a lot of heat, which doesn't do discs any good, either...
                          Last edited by DarthCopier; 03-13-2010, 09:30 PM.

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                            #14
                            sageraziel
                            DC has given some good advice. After reading your logs I see that you still have not got ImgBurn set up correctly to only burn at 1/2 the rated speed of your disc's and also you are still ripping to your external hard drive which is Fat32 and your system is NTSC you will always continue to have problems if this is not corrected. Pleas read this again and set it up exactly as the tutorial
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                              #15
                              Odd, I stopped ripping to my External Hard Drive...I've been ripping to my Desktop. So why does it say it's still on my ExHDD? I have set up, or attempted to set up, ImgBurn to the specified instructions numerous times. Apparently I'm doing something wrong. So on my DVD5 discs (4.7GB) it says 8x, and on my DVD 9 discs (8.5GB) is says 2.5x. I'll attempt to set up ImgBurn yet again, hopefully it will work for me this time. Thanks for the help everyone, I am more grateful than you can imagine. Please don't let this thread die! I'll be coming back here to continue this topic until I, the noob, finally get everything working correctly so as to stop the quality issues I'm having on certain DVD's. Here is another scap of information for you guys; All normal DVD's copy perfectly as my setting are now. It seems my anime and seasonal DVD's, which tend to be quite large themselves, that are having problems.

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