Warning email from Amazon

[Cats4U]

When I got the warning on my US account, I immediately stopped downloading on my Canadian account and then got the warning for that account after another 4 days. So it could very well be historical

Hey Jack! I know you like to experiment with various programs and things found on GitHub and elsewhere, considering the possible historic nature of this issue, could it be possible that you got nailed by a prior test trial of another DRM diversion rather than StreamFab? It was written "...Account suspensions are not limited to leaked certificates. Users of other DRM circumvention tools that don’t rely on them, including VineTrimmer PlayReady, also had their accounts banned recently...." Wilson is implying that their testing all over the world hasn't produced a warning for them. I'm still skeptical, and I am avoiding Amazon like the plague but looking at things historically opens up a lot of different possibilities.

[slottedpig]

So I’m assuming that people who got a ban either didn’t see the warning or ignored it then? I don’t think Amazon would lay down a ban without some kind of warning.

[jpp72]

It has been reported that this is not 'resolved'. At least one incident has been reported with the user using the latest version

This could be a historical thing, or it could be that this is not fully 'resolved.

When I got the warning on my US account, I immediately stopped downloading on my Canadian account and then got the warning for that account after another 4 days. So it could very well be historical

[tswizzlestix]

It has been reported that this is not 'resolved'. At least one incident has been reported with the user using the latest version

This could be a historical thing, or it could be that this is not fully 'resolved.

[Eureeka1989]

I did follow the instructions like what Allnight said. I'm still hesitant to use Amazon at this time.

[David_L312]

We almost need to lock this thread and start new one for August 1 onward if anything new actually happens. Otherwise we all keep reheating the same tummy rubbing. I have been downloading from Amazon this past week with zero issues, using latest offline installed version of SF after doing full clean uninstall/reinstall on Win11Pro here in US. "Zero fear" around here, anyway. :-)

Thanks for the update.

[simchris]

but anyway guys, have there been any account suspensions or bans recently, especially since the last update on July 28?

We almost need to lock this thread and start new one for August 1 onward if anything new actually happens. Otherwise we all keep reheating the same tummy rubbing. I have been downloading from Amazon this past week with zero issues, using latest offline installed version of SF after doing full clean uninstall/reinstall on Win11Pro here in US. "Zero fear" around here, anyway. :-)

[lucas Zxc]

but anyway guys, have there been any account suspensions or bans recently, especially since the last update on July 28?

[Sebastian001]

are you suggesting that the drm hasnt been fully cracked and we are getting crappy bitrates because of it?

Something like that was discussed back then. I can't give any details.

[slottedpig]

With the last DRM update, they were still using the old version, and Streamfab just pretended to Amazon that it was the new version. Germania, or even you, told me something like that. Maybe that could be a clue...

The conversation took place at the time when you were wondering whether Amazon was using a different MPD, since the bitrates had plummeted after the DRM update...

I'm not guaranteeing anything. I could be wrong!

are you suggesting that the drm hasnt been fully cracked and we are getting crappy bitrates because of it?

[KidJoe]

Sure. But the article did not mention StreamFab. They could be talking about other account shutdowns.

It doesn't seem we're hearing about any (many) new Amazon shutdowns.

they didn't mention any but that one. So who knows.
There were plenty of posts/messages here and on reddit, its possible streamfab owners just stopped downloading from amazon to be safe, and that is why we aren't hearing anything.

Personally, I didn't get notice, either by email or message in amazon account, then again, I'm usually downloading one or two things, usually MA eligible movies I purchased from sales on Fandango at Home or elsewhere, and only a day or two per week.

Since more started posting about the warnings, I've been downloading my MA digital copies from Fandango instead of Amazon. I've been noticing higher bit rate, and EAC3 JOC (i.e. DD+ w/Atmos) from Fandago, where as Amazon was only EAC3. (yup FAH is lower audio bit rate, even with DD+ w/Atmos)

[David_L312]

the article says.... "...Account suspensions are not limited to leaked certificates. Users of other DRM circumvention tools that don’t rely on them, including VineTrimmer PlayReady, also had their accounts banned recently...."

so it appears to be more than just those leaked certificates are at issue here.

Sure. But the article did not mention StreamFab. They could be talking about other account shutdowns.

It doesn't seem we're hearing about any (many) new Amazon shutdowns.

[KidJoe]

I know. It is still unclear if the leaked certificates were used by both Widevine and Playready. 1) The account name posting to Github was called "Widevineleak", and 2) The timing of this aligns with people starting to receive letters from Amazon.

the article says.... "...Account suspensions are not limited to leaked certificates. Users of other DRM circumvention tools that don’t rely on them, including VineTrimmer PlayReady, also had their accounts banned recently...."

so it appears to be more than just those leaked certificates are at issue here.

[simchris]

This clearly shows that you'll need to download your purchased movies to protect your investment in case your account will be closed. On the other hand, downloading your purchased movies may result in your account being closed. Talk about "catch 22"!

Ironically, that was my main purpose for getting SF; as I found I could get many of my AppleTV and Amazon purchases for download, but also in some cases replace ancient DVD discs with updated versions (e.g., Twilight Zone Classic in 1080p vs 720p). I wanted permanent safe copies for posterity since services come and go. Priceless for this purpose. Still working for me today, so hopefully my behavior is not on the target list.

[AllNight]

He literally said they use Widevine for Amazon. As a matter of fact, they use Widevine for all the modules that deal with DRM AFAIK

I know. It is still unclear if the leaked certificates were used by both Widevine and Playready. 1) The account name posting to Github was called "Widevineleak", and 2) The timing of this aligns with people starting to receive letters from Amazon.