The Competition

[Sebastian001]

Redfox is 500 downloads to start and then 1 gets added back every 7 minutes. Think about this, Fab may give you 700 downloads every 24 hours, but if each takes 15 minutes, you can only download 4 an hour, 4X24 hours = 96 a day maximum.

no, you miscalculated. I have 100 per module per day, which makes 700 per module per week, not 700 in one day.

Well it depends on how big an episode is. I loaded 100 episodes of King of Queens in 12 hours.

[artsunlimited]

I guess I should have been more specific. Those numbers were for the trial versions.

I have 500 downloads available in AS as of today. But, I don't go hog wild. I space out my downloads. I may grab a movie or two or a half dozen episodes a day.

Those limits are there for a reason. For example Paramount+ is hyper sensitive to the amount of content consumed in a certain amount of time. This resulted in a 403 Forbidden error when I was attempting to log in. After contacting support I found out my IP was blocked. I now use Amazon for P+ content.

That download quota knits up very quickly, but you'll notice with the "unlimited" setting that the downloads are so fast that you can really put a dent in that number.

If and when the Amazon DRM settles down and restores EAC3 audio instead of the AAC we have now, you'll notice that Paramount+ audio is easily one-half of what you'll get accessing the same content through Prime. You really see it in anything from Smithsonian - 64kbps as opposed to 128.

[bricks]

If and when the Amazon DRM settles down and restores EAC3 audio instead of the AAC we have now

as downloaded eac3 5.1. I just downloaded a couple of movies and series episodes.
or are you talking about sf?

[artsunlimited]

as downloaded eac3 5.1. I just downloaded a couple of movies and series episodes.
or are you talking about sf?

But that was older content, right? All new content and an increasing amount of older content that was EAC3 5.1 is now only downloading in 128kbps AAC stereo due to DRM changes - it started in NZ/Australia and was affecting all regions except Germany, but some people here have reported that's changed.

The only way to get around SF downloading any (older) series episodes in ACC and restore EAC3 was to replace the script in version 6.1.7.6 with the script from 6.1.7.5. (thanks Sebastian001 for that hack!)

[NewMelle]

If you're happy with Kigo fantastic! The only reason there is so much backlash is after all Kigo is just another run of the mill dime a dozen screen recorder. Something SF has sadly degraded into.

For that kind of money some of us (myself included) expect a little more. Specifically what we originally bought into. A DIRECT downloader. Screen recording, in particular with regards to buffering or ads introduces issues that are unacceptable for the money. Not to mention the overly protracted processing times introduced with re-encoding as opposed to a direct download.

[galloitaliano]

I already did say it - as did others. Several times, in fact, most notably in comment 117. I'd normally assume you couldn't be arsed to read it because you're still asking for confirmation, except that you quoted it while claiming that "according to [my] own description" Kigosoft must be a downloader. Your choices at this point are either that you didn't actually bother to read it, or that you still couldn't comprehend what it meant.

And other than stating that purchasing a screen recorder when you want a downloader is a foolish move, I haven't called you an idiot, dumb, stupid or any other pejorative, so you can just slow your roll right there.

There's generally no shame in being ignorant, since ignorant people can always be educated and banish their lack of knowledge - if they actually want to learn. Then there are people who don't. When they're shown the knowledge that they lack, they still insist that's it's wrong, or that's not what it means, or whatever defensive denial they need to prove to themselves that they're in the right, while derisively calling out the "incomparable wisdom" of anyone who's trying to educate them because denigrating their knowledge is more important than learning something. That's not ignorance, but stupidity, and it can't be overcome - hence the phrase "you can't fix stupid." It's up to you to figure out which category applies to you.

I think it's the other way around. You insisting Kigosoft is a screen-recorder is laughable. That last part is so deep. So passionate. WOW. You're right, I'm stupid. Stupid enough to know the difference between a downloader and a screen recorder.

[bricks]

But that was older content, right? All new content and an increasing amount of older content that was EAC3 5.1 is now only downloading in 128kbps AAC stereo due to DRM changes - it started in NZ/Australia and was affecting all regions except Germany, but some people here have reported that's changed.

The only way to get around SF downloading any (older) series episodes in ACC and restore EAC3 was to replace the script in version 6.1.7.6 with the script from 6.1.7.5. (thanks Sebastian001 for that hack!)

I meant AS, not SF. the competitor has no problem with 5.1 sound. old or new content.

[NewMelle]

I think it's the other way around. You insisting Kigosoft is a screen-recorder is laughable. That last part is so deep. So passionate. WOW. You're right, I'm stupid. Stupid enough to know the difference between a downloader and a screen recorder.

If you're happy with Kigo more power to you!

I'm not as concerned with what it is but more so what it does or does not that matters to me.

A. 19% 1 star reviews.
B. A petty 5 minutes of video to determine viability.
C. The ONLY support is a single email address.
D. NO helpdesk ticket system in place. Even I have a helpdesk ticket system in place for friends and family.
E. NO forums so no user to user support.
F. Stock photos to me screams disingenuous and their site is chock full of them.
G. Their site is hosted by GoDaddy. If they were actively cracking/circumventing DRM (i.e. a downloader) that would not jive according to GoDaddy copyright policies. I know first hand as I've had the misfortune of supporting client sites hosted there. They would have been booted long ago and according to whois has been in existence there since 09-09-2007.

[artsunlimited]

I think it's the other way around. You insisting Kigosoft is a screen-recorder is laughable. That last part is so deep. So passionate. WOW. You're right, I'm stupid. Stupid enough to know the difference between a downloader and a screen recorder.

Except that you don't think - your mind is made up and boy howdy, no one better confuse you with facts. Nor do you appear to read with any comprehension - because if you did, you'd have realized more than a few comments ago that it's KigoSoft that insists they're a screen recorder, and not a direct downloader. Just what part of "does not offer the possibility of downoading such [DRM protected] content directly" was unclear?

"Most video streaming services protect their content against 'direct download'. A DRM is used, which effectively prevents the original video file from being downloaded from the provider. KigoSoft Software respects this protection and never circumvents it, and therefore does not offer the possibility of downloading such content directly.
... It never accesses encrypted video data and is therefore not able to record and save such content. However, video content that is not protected by the provider against recording can be recorded by KigoSoft. To do this, such videos have to be played back completely; a new video file is then created from the unencrypted video images displayed (so-called "screen recording") without any protection being circumvented."

Oops.

You're right, I'm stupid. Stupid enough to know the difference between a downloader and a screen recorder.

It's entirely your choice on just what side of the ignorant vs. stupid dividing line you firmly belong, hotshot.

[artsunlimited]

I meant AS, not SF. the competitor has no problem with 5.1 sound. old or new content.

Normally, yes - but if you check out their forum you'll see that everything from Prime is currently downloading in 128kbps AAC, the same restriction as all the re-encoded stuff SF is now serving up. It's an issue that has spread throughout Amazon sites in the past week or so, starting in the NZ area. Hopefully it's just part of the DRM shakeup and can be resolved.

[NewMelle]

Some people you can beat with a stick and the whole time they'll tell you the stick doesn't exist.

[galloitaliano]

If you're happy with Kigo more power to you!

I'm not as concerned with what it is but more so what it does or does not that matters to me.

A. 19% 1 star reviews.
B. A petty 5 minutes of video to determine viability.
C. The ONLY support is a single email address.
D. NO helpdesk ticket system in place. Even I have a helpdesk ticket system in place for friends and family.
E. NO forums so no user to user support.
F. Stock photos to me screams disingenuous and their site is chock full of them.
G. Their site is hosted by GoDaddy. If they were actively cracking/circumventing DRM (i.e. a downloader) that would not jive according to GoDaddy copyright policies. I know first hand as I've had the misfortune of supporting client sites hosted there. They would have been booted long ago and according to whois has been in existence there since 09-09-2007.

Listen. Is possible you have some valid points regarding your concerns. No piece of software is 100% bulletproof so I won't state here that Kigo does not carry its own issues, it does, but at the time being is a great alternative to StreamFab, I'm not pushing it down people's throat as some of you have suggested here, I had good and genuine intentions, if you're looking for a software to do what SF does, well, here's Kigo! Take it or leave it. It's not meant for everybody, just for those who want to try something different. I don't understand why some of you are taking my input so personally. As a first hand user I can attest Kigo is anything but a screen recorder. Your 19% 1 star reviews excuse makes little or no sense, the reviews of Kigo on Trustpilot are vastly positive including a 70% 5 star reviews, 7% 4 star reviews & 4% 3 star reviews. Of course some people are going to be unhappy, however most are happy with what they got. What did you expect? 100% positive reviews? That'd make me nervous and I'd think twice before purchasing something like that. You're concerned because their support is based on a single e-mail address? No forums? No Help-desk? Well, given you avoid buying product off companies that don't meet your criteria, StreamFab has all of that. They checked all the boxes, BUT how's that worked for you there fella? Have your issues been fixed? I once had a problem with Kigo, e-mailed the support team they were very courteous, helpful and competent.

[galloitaliano]

artsunlimited

You: Goes to Kigo's official website, copies and pastes their Copyright Statement....yawn.

Me: Actually bought and uses the darn thing.

PlayOn Cloud is a screen recorder (DVR), I should know, I used in the past, in fact, I have like 56 credits left.

[bricks]

Normally, yes - but if you check out their forum you'll see that everything from Prime is currently downloading in 128kbps AAC, the same restriction as all the re-encoded stuff SF is now serving up. It's an issue that has spread throughout Amazon sites in the past week or so, starting in the NZ area. Hopefully it's just part of the DRM shakeup and can be resolved.

I have all sound in the German region so far is 5.1 in AS. I haven't seen any problems on the German part of the forum. I'll look at the English part.

[artsunlimited]

Listen. Is possible you have some valid points regarding your concerns. No piece of software is 100% bulletproof so I won't state here that Kigo does not carry its own issues, it does, but at the time being is a great alternative to StreamFab, I'm not pushing it down people's throat as some of you have suggested here, I had good and genuine intentions, if you're looking for a software to do what SF does, well, here's Kigo! Take it or leave it. It's not meant for everybody, just for those who want to try something different. I don't understand why some of you are taking my input so personally. As a first hand user I can attest Kigo is anything but a screen recorder. Your 19% 1 star reviews excuse makes little or no sense, the reviews of Kigo on Trustpilot are vastly positive including a 70% 5 star reviews, 7% 4 star reviews & 4% 3 star reviews. Of course some people are going to be unhappy, however most are happy with what they got. What did you expect? 100% positive reviews? That'd make me nervous and I'd think twice before purchasing something like that. You're concerned because their support is based on a single e-mail address? No forums? No Help-desk? Well, given you avoid buying product off companies that don't meet your criteria, StreamFab has all of that. They checked all the boxes, BUT how's that worked for you there fella? Have your issues been fixed? I once had a problem with Kigo, e-mailed the support team they were very courteous, helpful and competent.

Dude, seriously. No one doubts your intentions, but since you didn't know there even was a difference between a screen recorder and a direct downloader a few hours ago, when people tell you you're majorly misrepresenting a product, take a step back.

When Kigo itself declares their product is a screen recorder and not a direct downloader because they don't decrypt DRMs, maybe you should stop insisting that as a user you know better than the company itself, because you really lose all credibility.

There's a reason why KigoSoft goes into really extreme lengths to underline they don't direct download and no way are they cracking DRM's, and NewMelle called it from the start when he flagged that they're hosted by GoDaddy and would've been booted off it if they violated its copyright policies. I don't think I've ever seen such an involved justification of what a software wasn't doing before.