The Competition

[artsunlimited]

Some people you can beat with a stick and the whole time they'll tell you the stick doesn't exist.

*snerk* Good one.

That was really a sweet bit of analysis there regarding GoDaddy and its copyright policies, it sure explains why KigoSoft double, triple and fourple underlines that it's not a direct downloader. I know I'm going to keep that in mind, too.

[Sebastian001]

But that was older content, right? All new content and an increasing amount of older content that was EAC3 5.1 is now only downloading in 128kbps AAC stereo due to DRM changes - it started in NZ/Australia and was affecting all regions except Germany, but some people here have reported that's changed.

The only way to get around SF downloading any (older) series episodes in ACC and restore EAC3 was to replace the script in version 6.1.7.6 with the script from 6.1.7.5. (thanks Sebastian001 for that hack!)

Maybe no DRM. Just a change to the website. Several factors may also come together.

In any case, it's strange that older Fab versions find 5.1 and newer ones don't.

[NewMelle]

Listen. Is possible you have some valid points regarding your concerns. No piece of software is 100% bulletproof so I won't state here that Kigo does not carry its own issues, it does, but at the time being is a great alternative to StreamFab, I'm not pushing it down people's throat as some of you have suggested here, I had good and genuine intentions, if you're looking for a software to do what SF does, well, here's Kigo! Take it or leave it. It's not meant for everybody, just for those who want to try something different. I don't understand why some of you are taking my input so personally. As a first hand user I can attest Kigo is anything but a screen recorder. Your 19% 1 star reviews excuse makes little or no sense, the reviews of Kigo on Trustpilot are vastly positive including a 70% 5 star reviews, 7% 4 star reviews & 4% 3 star reviews. Of course some people are going to be unhappy, however most are happy with what they got. What did you expect? 100% positive reviews? That'd make me nervous and I'd think twice before purchasing something like that. You're concerned because their support is based on a single e-mail address? No forums? No Help-desk? Well, given you avoid buying product off companies that don't meet your criteria, StreamFab has all of that. They checked all the boxes, BUT how's that worked for you there fella? Have your issues been fixed? I once had a problem with Kigo, e-mailed the support team they were very courteous, helpful and competent.

I understand if you don't understand a 19% 1 star rating. I pay far more attention to negative reviews than I do positive as I can tell many of the positive are either coerced or written by the same person with the same broken English and poor command of the language. 90% would not know the difference between a screen recorder and a downloader. Possibly because they never knew any better.

We do.

No one has 100% positive reviews. It is more what the negative reviews say.

SF worked flawlessly the first few years I used it, precisely up until 01-25-24. As Chameleon would say I got some of my money's worth out of it. It was not until they lost their lead (and REAL) developer did things go into the toilet. There was no way I could have seen that coming two or more years ago. If you took any time to read the recent posts you'll find all hell broke loose in January of this year.

Yes, SF is now nothing more than a screen recorder, JUST LIKE KIGO, and it specifically states this on their site. Maybe you should read what artsunlimited posted above and take it to heart. I will give credit where credit is due. Kigosoft clearly states they do NOT direct download and IS a screen recorder. At least they are transparent there where SF is NOT.

There were only two real contenders in the direct download category and this one is going belly up fast.

You tested and like Kigo. I tested about a dozen other than AS and ALL were screen recorders.

You couldn't have picked a better time to promote a screen recorder on these forums. The very thing many of us are up in arms about. Naive, maybe. Bad timing, absolutely.

[artsunlimited]

artsunlimited

You: Goes to Kigo's official website, copies and pastes their Copyright Statement....yawn.

Me: Actually bought and uses the darn thing.

PlayOn Cloud is a screen recorder (DVR), I should know, I used in the past, in fact, I have like 56 credits left.

So basically, you - who as of a few hours ago didn't have a clue that screen recorders weren't direct downloaders - now know better than the whole of KigoSoft Software when they state that their product is not a direct downloader, but a screen recorder . . . simply because you've used their product?

Go look up Dunning-Kruger Effect, because your cognitive bias regarding what you wrongly estimate that you "know" and what you actually are cognizant of, and are actually competent to determine here, is really off the charts.

Again, no one is doubting your intentions - you obviously thought you had an alternative to SF pre-January 25th, simply because you didn't realize that SF was a direct downloader that's been gutted and is now a screen recorder. You didn't know, fair enough, and because you didn't, you also couldn't know that the last thing people here wanted to was hear about another screen recorder masquerading as a direct downloader.

Makes sense, right?

But when the writing is literally on the wall of the KigoSoft site that it's not a direct downloader, maybe it's time to stop insisting that it is.

[galloitaliano]

Dude, seriously. No one doubts your intentions, but since you didn't know there even was a difference between a screen recorder and a direct downloader a few hours ago, when people tell you you're majorly misrepresenting a product, take a step back.

When Kigo itself declares their product is a screen recorder and not a direct downloader because they don't decrypt DRMs, maybe you should stop insisting that as a user you know better than the company itself, because you really lose all credibility.

There's a reason why KigoSoft goes into really extreme lengths to underline they don't direct download and no way are they cracking DRM's, and NewMelle called it from the start when he flagged that they're hosted by GoDaddy and would've been booted off it if they violated its copyright policies. I don't think I've ever seen such an involved justification of what a software wasn't doing before.

Yeah, coming from someone who copies and pastes Kigo's Copyright Statement to prove a point. Ah, that GoDaddy deduction has got to be my favorite, thus far.

[NewMelle]

Yeah, coming from someone who copies and pastes Kigo's Copyright Statement to prove a point.

Which it did in spades.

Ah, that GoDaddy deduction has got to be my favorite, thus far.

Logic, pure and simple. 2+2=4. I was in IT for better than 35 years and managed dozens of sites hosted on GoDaddy for my clients (much to my chagrin). Far too many times I had to deal with the GoDaddy copyright police when one of my clients would cross the line and their site suspended until I intervened on their behalf and removed the copyright material or ceased copyright infringing activities. The GoDaddy copyright police are NOT someone you want to get to know.

[galloitaliano]

I understand if you don't understand a 19% 1 star rating. I pay far more attention to negative reviews than I do positive as I can tell many of the positive are either coerced or written by the same person with the same broken English and poor command of the language. 90% would not know the difference between a screen recorder and a downloader. Possibly because they never knew any better.

We do.

No one has 100% positive reviews. It is more what the negative reviews say.

SF worked flawlessly the first few years I used it, precisely up until 01-25-24. As Chameleon would say I got some of my money's worth out of it. It was not until they lost their lead (and REAL) developer did things go into the toilet. There was no way I could have seen that coming two or more years ago. If you took any time to read the recent posts you'll find all hell broke loose in January of this year.

Yes, SF is now nothing more than a screen recorder, JUST LIKE KIGO, and it specifically states this on their site. Maybe you should read what artsunlimited posted above and take it to heart. I will give credit where credit is due. Kigosoft clearly states they do NOT direct download and IS a screen recorder. At least they are transparent there where SF is NOT.

There were only two real contenders in the direct download category and this one is going belly up fast.

You tested and like Kigo. I tested about a dozen other than AS and ALL were screen recorders.

You couldn't have picked a better time to promote a screen recorder on these forums. The very thing many of us are up in arms about. Naive, maybe. Bad timing, absolutely.

I absolutely loved that line. I would love to see you speak in my language, just to see how you do.

[artsunlimited]

Yeah, coming from someone who copies and pastes Kigo's Copyright Statement to prove a point. Ah, that GoDaddy deduction has got to be my favorite, thus far.

No, hon, it's KIGOSOFT that proved their point. I wouldn't have need to copypasta squat if you 1) actually knew a direct downloader from a hole in the ground and 2) had actually been arsed to read about any of the software you purchased to find out exactly wtf it did.

And sorry not sorry, but if you don't consider it significant that a software that decrypts DRMs would get blown off a hosting domain with strict copyright policies, therefore said software by definition cannot be a DRM-cracking direct downloader, then you're extremely deficient in the logic department

[galloitaliano]

So basically, you - who as of a few hours ago didn't have a clue that screen recorders weren't direct downloaders - now know better than the whole of KigoSoft Software when they state that their product is not a direct downloader, but a screen recorder . . . simply because you've used their product?

Go look up Dunning-Kruger Effect, because your cognitive bias regarding what you wrongly estimate that you "know" and what you actually are cognizant of, and are actually competent to determine here, is really off the charts.

Again, no one is doubting your intentions - you obviously thought you had an alternative to SF pre-January 25th, simply because you didn't realize that SF was a direct downloader that's been gutted and is now a screen recorder. You didn't know, fair enough, and because you didn't, you also couldn't know that the last thing people here wanted to was hear about another screen recorder masquerading as a direct downloader.

Makes sense, right?

But when the writing is literally on the wall of the KigoSoft site that it's not a direct downloader, maybe it's time to stop insisting that it is.

I'm loving it! It's amazing how the ignorant one on this discussion is provoking all kind of unfriendly reactions.

[MrMayor]

Yeah, coming from someone who copies and pastes Kigo's Copyright Statement to prove a point. Ah, that GoDaddy deduction has got to be my favorite, thus far.

It does prove a point. It proves that Kigo is a stream recorder instead of a downloader. https://kigo-video-converter.com/copyright.html

When DVDFab recorder originally came out, it was a screen recorder, that recorded in real time. I remember this because I was using Playon at the time and questioned why someone would pay $200+ per streamer to record in real time, when Playon was a lot cheaper.

Sometime in 2021, a new version of Fab Recorder was released which converted from a screen recorder to a downloader and the name was also changed to Streamfab. From that point, Streamfab would run sales including all streaming sites they supported for $225-$300 (depending on the time).

Until this past January, Streamfab was a downloader until it converted "back" to a screen recorder. People are upset because when they purchased Streamfab, it was advertised as a downloader and nothing mentioned about a screen recorder.

Now you are here advertising for another site that does the exact same thing as Streamfab currently does. Why would I purchase another screen recorder for $50/$80 per provider, when Streamfab currently is doing the same thing ?

The GoDaddy deduction is also valid. GoDaddy is a USA based company. I guarantee that companies that offer a downloader like this, is not based in the USA.

[galloitaliano]

No, hon, it's KIGOSOFT that proved their point. I wouldn't have need to copypasta squat if you 1) actually knew a direct downloader from a hole in the ground and 2) had actually been arsed to read about any of the software you purchased to find out exactly wtf it did.

And sorry not sorry, but if you don't consider it significant that a software that decrypts DRMs would get blown off a hosting domain with strict copyright policies, therefore said software by definition cannot be a DRM-cracking direct downloader, then you're extremely deficient in the logic department

HAHAHAHA. I see somebody's angry. Is Kigo the. fastest screen recorder on the market?

[artsunlimited]

I absolutely loved that line. I would love to see you speak in my language, just to see how you do.

Do you understand that this refers to reviews that are supposed to be by native English-speaking customers that are obvious fakes, and are obviously written by the same person who is not a native English speaker, since they all contain the same grammatical errors and demonstrate a poor grasp of the language? They stand out like a sore thumb and it's a red flag that they not only have no positive reviews for the product, but that it's the same product being peddled under a different name.

Of course you don't. It would be the same if someone ginned up a handful of fake reviews by supposedly native Italian-speaking users on an Italian site, but used Google translate for all of them. You would notice it instantly.

[artsunlimited]

I'm loving it! It's amazing how the ignorant one on this discussion is provoking all kind of unfriendly reactions.

Self-awareness, get you some.

HAHAHAHA. I see somebody's angry. Is Kigo the. fastest screen recorder on the market?

Nope, the idiom "you don't know ____ from a hole in the ground" is used to express amusement and scorn when someone makes a fool of themselves by insisting they know more than they do. You only wish you had the ability to make me angry, I'm just kicking back and amusing myself seeing just how petulant you're gonna get.

As for Kigo's speed? Who cares? That's pure deflection - it could be the fastest or the slowest, but IDGAF because I have zero interest in another screen recorder.

[galloitaliano]

Do you understand that this refers to reviews that are supposed to be by native English-speaking customers that are obvious fakes, and are obviously written by the same person who is not a native English speaker, since they all contain the same grammatical errors and demonstrate a poor grasp of the language? They stand out like a sore thumb,

Of course you don't. It would be the same if someone ginned up a handful of fake reviews by supposedly Italian users on an Italian site, but used Google translate for all of them. You would notice it instantly.

Doesn't make any sense, one could say the same thing about the fake reviews. Maybe they're being written by a supposed customer, how'd you tell he's a real customer? Same logic.

[galloitaliano]

It does prove a point. It proves that Kigo is a stream recorder instead of a downloader. https://kigo-video-converter.com/copyright.html

When DVDFab recorder originally came out, it was a screen recorder, that recorded in real time. I remember this because I was using Playon at the time and questioned why someone would pay $200+ per streamer to record in real time, when Playon was a lot cheaper.

Sometime in 2021, a new version of Fab Recorder was released which converted from a screen recorder to a downloader and the name was also changed to Streamfab. From that point, Streamfab would run sales including all streaming sites they supported for $225-$300 (depending on the time).

Until this past January, Streamfab was a downloader until it converted "back" to a screen recorder. People are upset because when they purchased Streamfab, it was advertised as a downloader and nothing mentioned about a screen recorder.

Now you are here advertising for another site that does the exact same thing as Streamfab currently does. Why would I purchase another screen recorder for $50/$80 per provider, when Streamfab currently is doing the same thing ?

The GoDaddy deduction is also valid. GoDaddy is a USA based company. I guarantee that companies that offer a downloader like this, is not based in the USA.

Kigo works just like StreamFab did last year. But ok. If you say so. I gain absolutely nothing from people who decide to purchase Kigo.